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post #31 of 108
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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
Best bang for your bucks it is for sure. Except for the Stella and the Benchmark, which other DAC below U$2000 can touch it in stock form? None.
You mean the Beresford is better than: CIA VDA-2, Paradisea, Presonus CS, Northstar, Apogee , all the offerings from Pacific Valve, Altmann, etc?
post #32 of 108
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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
Best bang for your bucks it is for sure. Except for the Stella and the Benchmark, which other DAC below U$2000 can touch it in stock form? None.

That's quite a BIG statement. What other DAC's have you actually used besides the Beresford?

I know of a few DAC's that would easily beat the Beresford. I've got two of them right here in front of me and both include a better headphone amp also (Presonus Central Station and PS Audio GCHA).
post #33 of 108
What he said was an overstatement. But it could definatly beat everything under $500.
post #34 of 108
Take a look at older used DACs.

I picked up a MSB Technology Link DAC III and I'm very happy with its performance. I bought it used for $250 but I've seen them go on sale for as low as $180. It's a full size component and weighs a ton (all steel chassis). In terms of performance, it brings better details, bass and soundstage than the Micro DAC. I believe there's a full review of the Link DAC III in the featured review forum.
post #35 of 108
as my listen feel,can say 7510 maybe not the best choice,but a nice choice below $250

MY opinion:
MHDTLABS DIALOGUE II < 1212M < 7510MK1 = Micromega DUETTO DAC(better than DUO BS DAC)

7510's detail and better than DUETTO
but DUETTO's dynamatic better than 7510

In timbre,DUETTO has special "gold" bright,7510 has a "transparent" Sound

DIALOGUE II....I dont think this DAC's price is cheap.

Although the sound is warm and rough,the soundstage is big
but lack the most important detail.

EMU 1212M's detail compare with 7510,but the sound lack "power"

or "dynamatic"
post #36 of 108
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
What he said was an overstatement. But it could definatly beat everything under $500.
THAT is an overstatement, and I would say an inaccurate one
post #37 of 108
Thread Starter 
I'm having a heart attack trying to choose between the 0404 USB and the Zhaolu D2.5, mainly because I don't want to do any DIY so I don't know if the Zhaolu is worth a flip when it's just stock. Anyone have an opinion on this, or any other type of contribution?
post #38 of 108
You need something with a better amplifier then what you're looking at as all you have is a P2 amp. I am still going to once again recommend the Presonus Central Station if you can find one used for 300$ (I did). The built in amp coupled with the DAC is quite good. Is it a giant killer? Up to a point it is. It will serve you alot better I think then some of what has been listed in this thread.

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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
What he said was an overstatement. But it could definatly beat everything under $500.
Not even close. Try some of the higher priced DAC's and you will see.
post #39 of 108
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Originally Posted by elbrickodaviso View Post
I'm having a heart attack trying to choose between the 0404 USB and the Zhaolu D2.5, mainly because I don't want to do any DIY so I don't know if the Zhaolu is worth a flip when it's just stock. Anyone have an opinion on this, or any other type of contribution?
I used the Zhaolu D2C stock for a little while. It was a very nice improvement in SQ for very little money. I think the Zhaolu would be a good way to go, though I've never heard the D2.5. Just buy some op-amps you can swap out and that should be sufficient "modding" for a beginning DAC. You could always send your unit to get modded by Ori when you feel like fully upgrading.
post #40 of 108
I happen to stumble on a few comments about the TC-7510 on http://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum7/15325.html
There are a couple other buyers of the TC-7510 there who agree with my sentiments that the TC-7510 can't be touched by a single DAC other than the very high-end stuff. I think too many of you guys are focusing on the looks and the price. People with better systems and better knowledge of audio equipment than most of you here have done a far better job in evaluating the TC-7510.
I am not saying that one is not free to waste your money buying something far more expensive in the believe you'll get better. It's unfortunately not true.
The Zhaolu is a poorly sounding DAC that needs mods left right and center just to get it to sound any good. But still many of you believe it to be good value for money when you can get something far better in the TC-7510, and at a better price. So is your search based on getting the best sound, or are you just following trend, only to then sell your cheap Chinese DAC on the quiet on eBay or something?
post #41 of 108
The Beresford is a cheap Chinese DAC.
post #42 of 108
Herandu have you or any other people actually compared a modded Zhalou to a Beresford?

And do you only post about the Beresford? It seems like every other post of yours is about the Bereford.
post #43 of 108
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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
I happen to stumble on a few comments about the TC-7510 on http://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum7/15325.html
There are a couple other buyers of the TC-7510 there who agree with my sentiments that the TC-7510 can't be touched by a single DAC other than the very high-end stuff. I think too many of you guys are focusing on the looks and the price. People with better systems and better knowledge of audio equipment than most of you here have done a far better job in evaluating the TC-7510.
do they really agree with your sentiments? have you heard many if any other DACs under $2000 let alone $500? did you notice that the reviewer of the above quoted thread says YMMV and IMO, he also mentions that the DAC could not work for everyone's systems and might even sound "ho hum"

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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
I am not saying that one is not free to waste your money buying something far more expensive in the believe you'll get better. It's unfortunately not true.
The Zhaolu is a poorly sounding DAC that needs mods left right and center just to get it to sound any good. But still many of you believe it to be good value for money when you can get something far better in the TC-7510, and at a better price. So is your search based on getting the best sound, or are you just following trend, only to then sell your cheap Chinese DAC on the quiet on eBay or something?
do you always speak so condescendingly? it doesn't make for productive discussion and i generally ignore everything after reading such a snobbish introduction.

i'm sure there are experienced users who might like the 7510, however there are many other more experienced users who prefer other DACs, *gasp* they might even prefer that evil Zhaolu which btw sounds just fine stock. (btw some very experienced users have even compared the Zhaolu to DACs costing many thousands... is it possible that they're both fine DACs?)

actually i'd like to ask if you've even heard a Zhaolu yourself? stock? modded? and on what basis you make your statements

it's also not very polite to assume that everyone who doesn't own a 7510 is vain and purchases based on looks/cost and is simply a trend whore, not very constructive nor useful.

sure recommend a product, but don't go tagging everyone else a vain trend sheep because they might actually have a differing opinion that just happens to align with that of many other users. this just screams of outright fanboyism or some other alternative motives.

$0.02
post #44 of 108
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Originally Posted by d-cee View Post
do they really agree with your sentiments? have you heard many if any other DACs under $2000 let alone $500? did you notice that the reviewer of the above quoted thread says YMMV and IMO, he also mentions that the DAC could not work for everyone's systems and might even sound "ho hum"


do you always speak so condescendingly? it doesn't make for productive discussion and i generally ignore everything after reading such a snobbish introduction.

i'm sure there are experienced users who might like the 7510, however there are many other more experienced users who prefer other DACs, *gasp* they might even prefer that evil Zhaolu which btw sounds just fine stock. (btw some very experienced users have even compared the Zhaolu to DACs costing many thousands... is it possible that they're both fine DACs?)

actually i'd like to ask if you've even heard a Zhaolu yourself? stock? modded? and on what basis you make your statements

it's also not very polite to assume that everyone who doesn't own a 7510 is vain and purchases based on looks/cost and is simply a trend whore, not very constructive nor useful.

sure recommend a product, but don't go tagging everyone else a vain trend sheep because they might actually have a differing opinion that just happens to align with that of many other users. this just screams of outright fanboyism or some other alternative motives.

$0.02
I'd have to agree with d-cee here, Herandu. While I may not go as far to point to possible "alternative motives," it seems that your overwhelming enthusiasm for the Beresford does you and the Beresford more harm than good. I do think your intentions are probably benign: you probably are just one REALLY happy customer with the Beresford DAC, and as such, you would like to show other people what a great DAC this is. That seems to be your goal. But if you would really like to convince people that this DAC is as great as it is, I assure you, the best way to do so is not to put down every other product with such an heir of snobbery. That really pushes people away from the product, before they even get to try it out. Instead, there is a way to state your happinness with the Beresford without immediately dismising the conflicting opinions of others. If you approach your enthusiasm for the product this way, I guarantee that others would take the DAC into consideration without thoughts of fanboyism or "alternative motives." I assure you, many people value the opinions of those who fairly take into consideration the different results/opinions of other DAC users, rather than those who condescendingly dismiss everyone else with such immediacy.

This post is not an attack on your support for the Beresford at all, but merely a suggestion as to how you may show people that perhaps the Beresford really is that great after all. You surely are an enthusiastic supporter of the Beresford DAC's, perhaps a religious one at that, but if you just tone it down a bit, you'd be doing the Beresford DAC a much greater service. Happy listening.
post #45 of 108
I own a MarkIV. When I read these threads I really wish I was in a position to cut through the BS and give an opinion on this DAC. Unfortunately this the only DAC I've ever owned or listened to. If I had the money I would purchase a dozen or so DACs in <$600 range and test them until my ears bled with every type of equipment I could get my hands on - then post my findings. I've done this on several occasions with amps, speakers, etc. because I was tired of the conflicting opinions on forums and because I was able to borrow them from local dealers. I bought the Beresford out of curiosity because I wanted to see if an external DAC would add a little warmth and detail to my Squeezebox and set top box. For the price and as an entry level DAC I would say that the Beresford has not disappointed.
I'm at the point now where I'd like to upgrade but then I read comments that make it sound like this is as good as it's gonna get unless I'm willing to spend $2000. If this is true there's a huge gap to fill in the DAC market.
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