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post #421 of 496
That's certainly fair. The first signal cable i tried, the magicpower cord wasn't any different from a similarly priced PS audio cable. Eventually i sold that for a digital reference and i noticed a difference. As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

dave

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Ah IC.

I'll go as far as a Volex, but to be honest, I can't tell the difference between a shielded 14 AWG Volex and a standard computer power cord.

USG
post #422 of 496
To Upstateguy and others,

There are 2 key questions which you guys may like to comment.This is in particular reference to the Stella DA100 DAC.

1. This DAC has upsampling capabilities, do you think in comparison to the NOS
DACs how do they compare to each other, is upsampling is clear advantage
over the NOS Dac or they just sound different?

2. The Stello signature has I2S interface, does this interface has a clear
advantage(sound reproduction) over the std. interfaces like the USB or
Sdpif? Some people seem to think so. What do you think?

Cheers and thanks.
post #423 of 496
A note before I comment for ttan98. I replaced the pico with a gilmore lite and the sound has now reached my cd setup. My goal before i started this upgrade was to reach a similar sound quality level that i was getting on my cd setups without breaking the bank. I believe i have done that now.

Hi ttan98. Regarding your first question, i haven't heard an NOS dac so my comments are speculation on my part. I do have an older 18 bit cd player and that is sweet and warm, not as digital sounding so i imagine that the NOS dac's are similar in flavor. Plus some NOS dac's use tubes so that would increase the tube like warmth. I would say that overall the sound is different and you will have to listen to them on your own to come to your own conclusion regarding what you might like better. Either way i think you can't go wrong as long as you are aware of the particular strengths of the unit you do buy. In my case, i was considering an MHDT NOS dac but i had read that their USB performance wasn't so good and then the stello came along at a price i couldn't resist.

I forgot to mention that there is a review of the stello da100 vs Havana in this forum. You'll see the op heavily favored the Havana in his review but he had a pretty good descriptions for both dac's. You should be able to find it using the search function.

Regarding your 2nd question, i have read that the I2S interface can/does sound better. That said, you would likely need to add a CD transport that has an I2S output or some USB to I2S converter such as the empirical audio offramp series. That can be pricey though. In my case, since i already have 2 excellent cd setups i don't really need another transport for the stello.
post #424 of 496
Thanks Powerslave for your opinion/comments.

What I suspect is similar to what you had to say. However I have no hands on experience in this area that is why I write this post, I thought there are more people here who have direct experience but unwilling to share their experience I am a little disppointed, well that's life.

Looks like a closed shop here. This is not the first time. I will go somewhere else.
post #425 of 496
Greetings ttan98, hold your horses. I am fixing to buy the Stello CDT 100 / DAC 100 Signature yet this weekend. Will get back to ya in a month. The duo will be hooked up to a Vincent KHV-1pre headphone amplifier and Sennheiser HD 650. Shunyata Hydra 4 for power conditioning. Hope the Stello combo, using the I2S connection, is solid gold.

Wish me good luck!
post #426 of 496
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Thanks Powerslave for your opinion/comments.

What I suspect is similar to what you had to say. However I have no hands on experience in this area that is why I write this post, I thought there are more people here who have direct experience but unwilling to share their experience I am a little disppointed, well that's life.

Looks like a closed shop here. This is not the first time. I will go somewhere else.

You have e-mail.

USG
post #427 of 496
Upstateguy,

Received your private mail, thanks for your honest opinion and taking the time to write such a long response.
I live in Australia hence cannot attend your hi-fi meet.I am sure you are having a good time. If I am there I will join you. I am just another consumer who does not believe in using superfulous words to describe sound reproduction.
post #428 of 496
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This DAC has upsampling capabilities, do you think in comparison to the NOS
DACs how do they compare to each other, is upsampling is clear advantage over the NOS Dac or they just sound different?
Hi Ttan98!

Here is the difference in soundstage, as I perceive it:



I alternate between these two modes, because I like the transparency of the bypass mode better, but I don't like that the drums and guitars are so close to me (plus, they overpower the vocalist). They sound almost 1 meter away from me, it's so unrealistic that my brain somehow just skips over them. The 24/192 mode is more laid-back, the sound presentation is easier on my ears and brain. The bass is deeper and louder in the bypass mode, no doubt about that.
post #429 of 496
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Hi Ttan98!

Here is the difference in soundstage, as I perceive it:



I alternate between these two modes, because I like the transparency of the bypass mode better, but I don't like that the drums and guitars are so close to me (plus, they overpower the vocalist). They sound almost 1 meter away from me, it's so unrealistic that my brain somehow just skips over them. The 24/192 mode is more laid-back, the sound presentation is easier on my ears and brain. The bass is deeper and louder in the bypass mode, no doubt about that.
Very nice illustration ironmine.

It very effectively illustrates how the depth of the sound stage is flattened by artificially bringing the mids and the vocals forward.

Unfortunately, the presentation you don't care for is actually the one the sound engineer intended you to hear.

I agree with you though, for some mixes, the Stello's 192 setting can be useful.

Now ponder this: My North Star 192 MKII up-samples automatically to 192 and does not alter the sound stage in any way.

USG
post #430 of 496
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Now ponder this: My North Star 192 MKII up-samples automatically to 192 and does not alter the sound stage in any way.
USG
I hope in future I can buy a sound card and then I will be able to use any of the following upsampling plugins: PPHS resampler, SOX resampler (it has a bunch of settings to play with), SSRC resampler, Secret Rabbit Code, etc. I won't have to depend on the upsampling feature in the DAC anymore.
post #431 of 496
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I hope in future I can buy a sound card and then I will be able to use any of the following upsampling plugins: PPHS resampler, SOX resampler (it has a bunch of settings to play with), SSRC resampler, Secret Rabbit Code, etc. I won't have to depend on the upsampling feature in the DAC anymore.
I might be wrong, but IIRC the prevailing opinion at Hydrogen is that up-sampling with foobar degrades the sound.

USG
post #432 of 496
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I might be wrong, but IIRC the prevailing opinion at Hydrogen is that up-sampling with foobar degrades the sound.
USG
So, how do they advise to upsample, then?
post #433 of 496
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Soundstage Picture

So you're saying disabling upsampling inverts the depth information? That is pretty wierd Looks like the upsampling version is correct though.
post #434 of 496
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So you're saying disabling upsampling inverts the depth information? That is pretty wierd Looks like the upsampling version is correct though.
Ironmine is quite correct when he says that that engaging the 192 up-sampling switch on the Stello DA100 brings the mids and vocals forward as is shown in his picture , flattening out the depth of the sound stage (although with headphones it doesn't move the entire sound stage from behind your head to in front of it). Disabling the up-sampling restores the depth.

I don't know what the up-sampling switch actually does electronically, so saying "inverting the depth information" may not be an accurate description of how the Stello up-samples.

USG
post #435 of 496
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So, how do they advise to upsample, then?
Up-sampling is controversial, but if you feel the need to up-sample, it is probably better to get a DAC that does it better than the Stello does.

USG
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