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post #406 of 496
is the coax bnc?
post #407 of 496
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post
Most opinions I've read seem to feel sound quality is best from Coax, followed by USB followed by Optical. I figure i should give coax a try from my PC and see if i like that better. I thought i could get an card cheaper then the thingee but just realized that the thingee is pretty cheap in itself so i will go that route next month. My current sound card has optical out too so i will probably try that soon as well.
Hi PS

That's not necessarily true.

Neko, for example, recommends using optical to separate the computer from the DAC.

"As the D100 does not have a built-in USB input, you can use either a USB to S/PDIF converter or a sound card that outputs S/PDIF via coaxial or optical. There are many USB to S/PDIF converters available at reasonable prices.

If using a sound card you should use the optical S/PDIF output. The coaxial S/PDIF outputs are usually very noisy and will degrade the sound quality.

Mac computers often include support for S/PDIF over optical using the built-in audio output jack. All you need is an optical cable that has a minijack connector on one end, or a minijack to optical adapter.."


And much to my surprise, I prefer the Thingee's optical to coaxial on my North Star....

I can't tell the difference on the Stello.

The Thingee or UD10.1 will give you both coax and optical, see if you can tell the difference.

USG
post #408 of 496
Guys,

Yesterday I listened to the latest album by Mylene Farmer comparing the difference between the bypass mode and the upsampling mode. Yes, the bypass mode offers a more layered presentation of the sound, but it achieves it by moving the drums and other instruments FORWARD towards the listener, while the vocalist is kept at approximately the same distance from the listener as in the upsampling mode. That's why the first impression (illusion) is that the vocals are farther in the bypass mode, while in reality it's the other instruments which are moved closer to you.

Don't you agree?
post #409 of 496
Interesting point ironmine. I don't think the point was to disparage one or the other. Personally i could listen to any of the modes with no problem. For now, i seem to like bypass the best but will spend some time listening to the 96 and 192 modes when i have time. Good news is that i think i am getting used to the sound so to speak and feel much more comfortable listening to the dac now. I probably just needed to break myself in a little bit .
post #410 of 496
Just spent some time listening in 192 and USG is right, the bottom end is filtered out in this mode. It sounds too thin for my taste. When i switch it back the bass is back and the overall sound is more appealing to me. That's just me though so no worries. We all have different tastes
post #411 of 496
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Originally Posted by ironmine View Post
Guys,

Yesterday I listened to the latest album by Mylene Farmer comparing the difference between the bypass mode and the upsampling mode. Yes, the bypass mode offers a more layered presentation of the sound, but it achieves it by moving the drums and other instruments FORWARD towards the listener, while the vocalist is kept at approximately the same distance from the listener as in the upsampling mode. That's why the first impression (illusion) is that the vocals are farther in the bypass mode, while in reality it's the other instruments which are moved closer to you.

Don't you agree?
Mylene Farmer.... now isn't she something...

And her little protege Alizee...

USG
post #412 of 496

More tests

Hi guys!

Yesterday I did some listening tests again through my speakers using Tony Joe White's album "Lake Placid Blues". Powerslave was correct saying "the bass is back" in the bypass mode. It is back with a vengeance. The drum unit is shoved right into your face, playing under your nose. Other instruments (guitars) also play unrealistically and unpleasantly nearer. The vocalist is farthest and is left behind. This setup sounded very strange to me. I think when musicians play live, they arrange themselves differently on stage. That's why the vocalist is called a frontman, because that's where he is supposed to be - in front of his band - not behind. I stand my ground: the upsampling mode is more coherent and provides the more correct positioning of musicians. (But my hunch, based on my experience with Digital Link III, tells me 24/96 will be better.)
post #413 of 496
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Originally Posted by ironmine View Post
Hi guys!

Yesterday I did some listening tests again through my speakers using Tony Joe White's album "Lake Placid Blues". Powerslave was correct saying "the bass is back" in the bypass mode. It is back with a vengeance. The drum unit is shoved right into your face, playing under your nose. Other instruments (guitars) also play unrealistically and unpleasantly nearer. The vocalist is farthest and is left behind. This setup sounded very strange to me. I think when musicians play live, they arrange themselves differently on stage. That's why the vocalist is called a frontman, because that's where he is supposed to be - in front of his band - not behind. I stand my ground: the upsampling mode is more coherent and provides the more correct positioning of musicians. (But my hunch, based on my experience with Digital Link III, tells me 24/96 will be better.)
Iron-

It may sound that way through your speakers, and I have no idea how you might have them set up or what your room acoustics might be like, but that is not the case with headphones. There is a certain amount of spaciousness and depth that is lost when the treble and vocals are brought forward in the 192 mode.

In addition, "Lake Placid Blues" seems to be a studio album, so I have no idea where the engineer mixed in his vocals.

Apparently, your millage varied.

USG
post #414 of 496
Totally agree with USB here regarding the sound of this dac on headphones. After all this is head-fi so headphone impressions should be the norm here. I don't even have a stereo any more unfortunately. I can certainly see how speakers could sound differently so i totally get ironmine.
post #415 of 496
I keep forgetting to mention that i slapped a signal digital reference pc cable on the dac and the sound has smoothed out quite nicely.

Wow, more listening though the evening with this pc and it's a different dac now. Just smooth and polished now. Loving it big time now.
post #416 of 496
My Stello DA100 Signature which I bought from insomniac arrived Thursday but I only got to play with it this weekend. First impression? Amazed on how much it improved my music library. I don't believe the Signature is fully broken in yet so we'll see if there are any changes as the hours pile up on it I am playing it through the USB and I still have to experiment other ways to connect it from my computer as well.

I am playing around with the upsampling and it feels the the bass gets more punchy on 192khz upsampling although it does change a bit depending on what song you are playing. Bypass makes it more neutral but everything is still engaging. I am happy with my Audio-GD C-2C and Stello DA100 Signature setup. Hopefully, next year I can upgrade to a tube amp with balanced outputs and check out other DACs within Stello's pricerange.
post #417 of 496
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post
I keep forgetting to mention that i slapped a signal digital reference pc cable on the dac and the sound has smoothed out quite nicely.

Wow, more listening though the evening with this pc and it's a different dac now. Just smooth and polished now. Loving it big time now.
Hi PS

What is this?

Thanks

USG
post #418 of 496
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
There is a certain amount of spaciousness and depth that is lost in the 192 mode..
Upstateguy and Powerslave, you are right. I've been forcing myself to listen to the bypass mode for two days and I can now understand you better. Some spaciousness clues get chopped by the upsampling process, I admit. Also, the bypass mode sounds now to me more transparent. If only the bypass mode could sound more laid back...
post #419 of 496
Thats a power cord from signal cables. I'm including the link below. I got mines used for a bit cheaper on Audiogon. Anyway, this cord has really smoothed out the sound. The dac on the stello pc was very forward but on the signal cable it's so much more laid back, just more balanced sound. Sweet.

Digital Power Cord

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
Hi PS

What is this?

Thanks

USG
post #420 of 496
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post
Thats a power cord from signal cables. I'm including the link below. I got mines used for a bit cheaper on Audiogon. Anyway, this cord has really smoothed out the sound. The dac on the stello pc was very forward but on the signal cable it's so much more laid back, just more balanced sound. Sweet.

Digital Power Cord
Ah IC.

I'll go as far as a Volex, but to be honest, I can't tell the difference between a shielded 14 AWG Volex and a standard computer power cord.

USG
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