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post #391 of 496
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
Hi

When you say 24/192 mode, are you talking about using the upsampling switch?

What is a 24/96 mode?

USG
24/192 and 24/96 are upsampling modes, of course.

Both DACs were made to sound equally loud while we were comparing them (if I had not adjusted the loudness of DLIII in Foobar, DLIII would have played a little bit louder).
post #392 of 496
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Originally Posted by ironmine View Post
24/192 and 24/96 are upsampling modes, of course.

Both DACs were made to sound equally loud while we were comparing them (if I had not adjusted loudness of Stello in Foobar, DLIII would have played a little bit louder).
I agreed with you in post #377 that the bass is better on bypass and sound stage is wider and deeper and vocals are less upfront making the depth of sound stage greater. So are you saying that in bypass mode the Stello has less bass than the DLIII has in 24/96?

I don't understand your foobar adjustment. If the DLIII was initially louder, you would have adjusted the volume of the DLIII not the Stello, no?

USG
post #393 of 496
Upstateguy,
Yes, you are right, my mistake. I adjusted the volume of DLIII.

I did not compare Stello in the bypass mode to DLL in 24/96. I don't use bypass mode in Stello, even though it has more bass than its 24/192. Because, 24/192 in Stello OVERALL still sounds better to me (more three-dimensional). It becomes especially obvious when I use Stello for speakers.

I guess I have to buy a soundcard with an optical out which can support 24/96 to Stello and then I can use Stello in bypass.
post #394 of 496
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Originally Posted by ironmine View Post
Upstateguy,
Yes, you are right, my mistake. I adjusted the volume of DLIII.

I did not compare Stello in the bypass mode to DLL in 24/96. I don't use bypass mode in Stello, even though it has more bass than its 24/192. Because, 24/192 in Stello OVERALL still sounds better to me (more three-dimensional). It becomes especially obvious when I use Stello for speakers.

I guess I have to buy a soundcard with an optical out which can support 24/96 to Stello and then I can use Stello in bypass.
Hi

What I found with the Stello is this:

In the bypass mode, the bass is greater and more defined and the sound stage is goes deeper, front to back. In the 192 position, the midrange and vocals are brought forward flatening out the depth of the sound stage. It catches your attention at first but as Stello discusses in their manual, it is only preferred for some types of music, such as some acoustic and small intimate venues like quartets.

In comparing DACs I have found that when one seems to have more bass, it's just a volume difference. After all, it's just translating 1s and 0s to analog, not amplifying a part of the audio spectrum.

I also don't understand why you can't use the Stello in bypass? How are you getting your signal to the Stello now?

USG
post #395 of 496
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
I also don't understand why you can't use the Stello in bypass? How are you getting your signal to the Stello now?USG
I can use the bypass mode in Stello, but I prefer the unsampling mode. My Stello now receives the signal either from my iRiver iHP-120 player via an optical cable, or from my PC via a USB cable.
post #396 of 496
So, has anyone actually compared the DA 100 with the DA 100 just in terms of sound quality? (not using the balanced outputs and I2S connection of the Signature)?
post #397 of 496
New Stello DA100 Sig owner here. Got a great deal on Agon. Pretty impressed with the sound but it is a very forward sounding dac compared to either my HK or Cal labs cd player. Based on that alone, i still prefer my cd setups. Not sure if a tube amp would help alleviate that or not. I've only used the USB input so far. Looking for a cheap sound card with spdif out but i have a feeling that will have the same character. Some other notes, i think i prefer bypass mode, seems to sound more spacious, 3-d, etc. It does get warm to hot but nothing too bad.
post #398 of 496
Powerslave, I think it is the 24/192 resampling algorythm in Stello which lends the forward sounding character to the music. 24/96 will be better. Try a sound card which has a spdif output and try playing with different resamplers in Foobar (or use VST resamplers).
post #399 of 496
Thanks Ironmine. I've been using mostly bypass though and it still sounds forward. I switched out my pico and threw in an old hotaudio amp which is much warmer and that seems to help. I think I've found that if i keep the volume slightly lower then usual that it engages me a bit more. At higher volumes, it just sounds overpowering to me. Still though, it's only been a few days so maybe i just need to get used to the sound signature.
post #400 of 496
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post
Thanks Ironmine. I've been using mostly bypass though and it still sounds forward. I switched out my pico and threw in an old hotaudio amp which is much warmer and that seems to help. I think I've found that if i keep the volume slightly lower then usual that it engages me a bit more. At higher volumes, it just sounds overpowering to me. Still though, it's only been a few days so maybe i just need to get used to the sound signature.
FWIW, we compared the Stello to a Benchmark through my GS-1 at the last NY meet and were not able to tell the difference between the two under meet conditions.

Also, the Stello's USB implementation is inferior to its optical or coaxial implementations. But you want a relatively "good" card not a real cheap one if you go that route.

The people who listened at the meet preferred the USB implementation from a "Thingee" to that of the Stello, so that is another way to get the sound out of your computer and into the Stello either optically or coaxially. (The Trends UD 10.1 is probably just as good but I haven't tried it.)

I also compared the optical implementation of the USB Thingee to the optical implementation from one of the Shuttle computers I built and was not able to detect a jnd. In one of my comparison sessions I gave the edge to the Thingee, maybe.

I've found that the "192" mode brings the treble and vocals forward flattening the depth of the soundstage and diminishing the bass. Try it yourself. The Stello manual states that it is only useful for some types of music, as you've already noticed.

In addition to sounding like a Benchmark, it also sounds like a Neko, which means it's a very neutral DAC.

USG
post #401 of 496
Thanks USG. I have read through this thread so your mention of the thingee is intriguing and i will probably look into that at some point. As far as sound card coax, got any suggestions on that front? Regarding 192 mode, i noticed pretty much the same as you and have been using it in bypass mode as well.
post #402 of 496
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post
Regarding 192 mode, i noticed pretty much the same
Yeah, but the upsampling mode provides a better separation between instruments, the localization and imaging are improved, too (to my ears and through my rig). In the bypass mode, all elements of the music are just lumped together.
post #403 of 496
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post
Thanks USG. I have read through this thread so your mention of the thingee is intriguing and i will probably look into that at some point. As far as sound card coax, got any suggestions on that front? Regarding 192 mode, i noticed pretty much the same as you and have been using it in bypass mode as well.
Hi PS

Just curious why you want to go the sound card route instead of USB when the only thing you're really going to use is the optical or coaxial out? And between optical and coaxial, there is an advantage of being able to separate the computer (electrically) from the rest of the chain by going optical.

USG
post #404 of 496
Most opinions I've read seem to feel sound quality is best from Coax, followed by USB followed by Optical. I figure i should give coax a try from my PC and see if i like that better. I thought i could get an card cheaper then the thingee but just realized that the thingee is pretty cheap in itself so i will go that route next month. My current sound card has optical out too so i will probably try that soon as well.
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