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post #91 of 110
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Originally Posted by Champ04 View Post
Stock power cables for 15a use are standard 12 gauge. (for standard power cord lengths)
The three 16g cables used for each phase of the Valhalla form an aggregate of 11.3g.
Explain to me how 16g is larger than 12g.

The only time the power cord to the electronics will be smaller is if there is a wall wart (transformer) at the plug. In which case, it doesnt matter. Did you rewire a wall wart???
The stock cables that came with my computer parts say 0.75mm² which is thinner than 18awg.
When I bought my used Krell power amp and P300 Power Plant from USA I got two stock cables that said 18awg on it.

When I bought new stuff from PS Audio I got a thicker cable in the box.

My apartment wiring is 14-16awg. Thicker than 14 awg removes detail in my system.

BTW. The Nordost Shiva is 18awg.
post #92 of 110
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
The stock cables that came with my computer parts say 0.75mm² which is thinner than 18awg.
When I bought my used Krell power amp and P300 Power Plant from USA I got two stock cables that said 18awg on it.

When I bought new stuff from PS Audio I got a thicker cable in the box.

My apartment wiring is 14-16awg. Thicker than 14 awg removes detail in my system.

BTW. The Nordost Shiva is 18awg.
Owned. For lack of a better term. Hey patrick, have any extra ERS? Id like to cover my transformer in my CD player, I'll buy some from you. (Im fine with used, as long as it isnt in tiny scraps)
post #93 of 110
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Originally Posted by colonelkernel8 View Post
Owned. For lack of a better term. Hey patrick, have any extra ERS? Id like to cover my transformer in my CD player, I'll buy some from you. (Im fine with used, as long as it isnt in tiny scraps)
I have used 100+ sheets and all I have left is tiny scraps, I use them to patch holes when they suddenly appear.
I might be able to spare a few 1/8th sheets. Send me PM.
post #94 of 110
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Originally Posted by Champ04 View Post
Stock power cables for 15a use are standard 12 gauge. (for standard power cord lengths)
The three 16g cables used for each phase of the Valhalla form an aggregate of 11.3g.
Explain to me how 16g is larger than 12g.

The only time the power cord to the electronics will be smaller is if there is a wall wart (transformer) at the plug. In which case, it doesnt matter. Did you rewire a wall wart???
Stock power cords used with 600+ watt computers are 18 gauge or worse
post #95 of 110
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Originally Posted by colonelkernel8 View Post
Owned. For lack of a better term.
Hardly. Everything I said was true. (Sorry, I should have specified high end audio. Thats where you are more likely to find 12g or better.) And not having any idea what exactly this character is using his valhalla on, it is perfectly reasonable to offer the suggestion to be careful about tampering with power cords. Its not just sound quality you mess with when you do this.
(For instance, the warranty on BAT equipment is void is you use a power cable on their equipment that isnt rated at least 15a.)

But, by all means, knock yourself out!
Or rather, if you are stupid enough, burn yourself out.
No skin off my back.
post #96 of 110
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Originally Posted by The Burn Pt.2 View Post
Stock power cords used with 600+ watt computers are 18 gauge or worse

Not quite the same thing.
post #97 of 110

Power cord for computer

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Originally Posted by Champ04 View Post
Not quite the same thing.
I'm using my computer as transport which is part of my audio system.

I made a comparison again. I'm using 10+ meters of stock extension strips with my computer. I have the last stock power cord plugged into Ultimate Outlet.

First I tried 1.5m PS Audio Statement 6awg, it made the most obvious difference of all cables. Everything sounded too heavy and after a day I couldn't stand it anymore.
Then I tried 2m Valhalla 16awg, I was hearing smooth and thin openness which was covering up the low-level details. It sounded like something was added on top of the music. It also sounded like the heaviness was removed as well, it gave the illusion of faster transients.
Lastly I tried 1.8m stock cable 18awg and it sounded more true, I didn't hear anything added on top of the music. But it sounded harsh and fatiguing. I need to try wrapping the stock cable in ERS Paper. Hopefully it will be better than Valhalla then.

It sounds like Statement and Valhalla cleans some AC noise. Because in previous comparisons I have found that the longer the Valhalla cable is, the smoother and thinner it sounds. I like a 50cm Valhalla the best. I don't like 2 meter Valhalla, it sounds too smooth and open.
post #98 of 110

ERS Paper = Best tweak ever!

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
Lastly I tried 1.8m stock cable 18awg and it sounded more true, I didn't hear anything added on top of the music. But it sounded harsh and fatiguing. I need to try wrapping the stock cable in ERS Paper. Hopefully it will be better than Valhalla then.
Wow, ERS Paper is amazing. The harshness and edginess from stock cable was greatly reduced. I don't complain of fatigue anymore. Stock cable with ERS Paper has a similar sound signature as Statement, except it doesn't have any unrealistic heaviness added on top of the music. 18 awg sounds more neutral because that's the size of the extension strips. If you add thick wiring after thin wiring, it's going to make it sound worse.
post #99 of 110
Well, I do appreciate your willingness to try anything!

But this.........
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
I don't like 2 meter Valhalla, it sounds too smooth and open.
........ I dont get at all!!!

You're a trip dude!!
post #100 of 110
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Originally Posted by Champ04 View Post
Well, I do appreciate your willingness to try anything!

But this.........

........ I dont get at all!!!

You're a trip dude!!
See "Lars and lengths": http://www.nordost.co.uk/downs/reviews/hf05063.jpg

The longer Valhalla has more coloration. Valhalla doesn't just pass through the AC signal uncolored, it changes it. Otherwise it wouldn't make a difference at all. The reason power cords make a difference is because they make it worse in one way and better in another.
post #101 of 110
It wasnt the fact that you find differences in lengths. That just goes with the territory.
I didnt understand the statement.... "TOO smooth and open."
I thought that was what everyone was looking for!

Ride on Man!!
post #102 of 110
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Originally Posted by Champ04 View Post
It wasnt the fact that you find differences in lengths. That just goes with the territory.
I didnt understand the statement.... "TOO smooth and open."
I thought that was what everyone was looking for!

Ride on Man!!
Too much of a good thing is not a good thing.
post #103 of 110
this is the most insane thread ive ever read
post #104 of 110
I've heard most of Nordost's cables, including the Odin, as well as the Tara Labs Zero and Transparent Opus, and, personally, if you've got the money and think they're that much better than anything else, then who's stopping you? It's your money. I know people who own them and love them. I don't think much of any of them, and feel that they're grossly overpriced for what they offer (I'm not talking about grossly overpriced in general; that's in the eye of the beholder). I'm most definitely not in the cables-don't-make-a difference camp, and I think there are expensive cables that justify their pricetags, but the three I mentioned ain't in that group, IMO. Not even close.
post #105 of 110
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Originally Posted by Quint View Post
but the three I mentioned ain't in that group, IMO. Not even close.
Word! To ya mamma.
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