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post #16 of 110
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Originally Posted by Ernie II View Post
I was informed by the local Nordost distributor, the Odlins are hollow core, meaning the surface area of the cable (where most of the conductivity occurs) is almost doubled. Thus, the throughput of data is effectively doubled. T.
Sound like wool being pulled over the eyes to me.
post #17 of 110
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Originally Posted by Ernie II View Post
I was informed by the local Nordost distributor, the Odlins are hollow core, meaning the surface area of the cable (where most of the conductivity occurs) is almost doubled. Thus, the throughput of data is effectively doubled. The manufacture of hollow core filament cable must be ... complicated and fiddly... hence the stella pricing.
You mean the individual conductors are hollow?
post #18 of 110
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Originally Posted by Ernie II View Post
I was informed by the local Nordost distributor, the Odlins are hollow core, meaning the surface area of the cable (where most of the conductivity occurs) is almost doubled. Thus, the throughput of data is effectively doubled. The manufacture of hollow core filament cable must be ... complicated and fiddly... hence the stella pricing.
It WOULD be somewhat of a breakthrough if indeed Nordost came up with very thin hollow conductors.

Hollow conductors are NOT a new idea at all. I have some old Intermezzo E-M interconnects that uses hollow copper tube as conductor. Analysis Plus cables' main technology is the hollow cable also, even though they deviate from the ideal by making them oval (for flexibility) and by using stranded conductors. They do have some interesting thesis on why hollow is better:

http://www.analysis-plus.com/design_whyhollow.html

The thing that would separate Nordost Odin is if each hollow conductor was extremely small, unlike the examples above, which basically use one big hollow conductor per signal leg.

STILL highway robbery, but I'm sure enough people with too much money will buy the Odin to make it profitable.
post #19 of 110
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Originally Posted by justin2net View Post
so what makes it so special? leather, silver?
i would pay $18000 for a leather cable. it would prove the existence of god.
post #20 of 110
Hong Kong will be a pretty good market for these exotic cables. There are plenty of wealthy, crazy audiophiles in Hong Kong. At one of the Naim dealers, they apparently got orders for 5 sets of CD555/PS555 CDPs before the product was even officially offered. I went to the Chord/JMLabs dealer and this guy was auditioning a P-01/D-01/Chord Reference Amps/Grand Utopia Be system. Went to the Meridian dealer and a guy was auditioning some 808i/DSP8000 system.
post #21 of 110
At audio frequency it is a mere waste of time. That sort of technology is more suited to frequencies above 20KHz. But only if the hollow conductor doesn't collapse.
post #22 of 110
coolal
post #23 of 110
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
So two new "technologies" - duo Mono-Filament vs single mono-filament in the Valhalla and some new "Total Signal Control". Pretty damn vague if you ask me
It's amazing the random stuff people can get patents for these days.

Maybe I'll put in an app for my very own tri-mono-filament technology.
post #24 of 110
They made it so hard to choose, the odin or giving 1/10 of the cost of odin to charity for a good cause... *DOH*
post #25 of 110
Ok, I found a couple articles detailing the skin effect, however I still don't see exactly why a hollow core would be an ideal solution? So far I've found references on both sides that a hollow wire effects the skin effect in what we would consider a positive way, and I'm trying to find the actual calculation somewhere.
post #26 of 110
Mind you, the distortion produced by any one of the resistors and capacitors in an amp/DAC/ etc is far more than in a audio or speaker lead.
About 20 to 30 years ago one big fad was to judge speaker cables on their inductance and capacitance.
Very little is however spent on pointing out the technical aspect of the materials used to make up leads. It almost looks like a conspiracy. The majority use inferior OFC, whilst talking up skin effects etc. I recently bought a set of digital coax cables made of PCOFC simply because it is a superior signal medium. But you won't see many cable "manufacturers" use it, simply because most of them don't actually MAKE cables. They have little to no knowledge on the scientific side of things, other than to throw buzz words about in order to sound technical. In the mean time many good cables get overlooked in preference to glossy advertising.
post #27 of 110
I get you Herandu, but don't you think it's quite improbably that one of the most prestigious audio cable companies in the world would try to con people? Yes, they do charge a literal fortune to connect up your audio system, but I am certainly interested by some of the cool words they use to describe their cables Maybe I'm your average, easily amused, gullible, fall-for-anything-flashy audiophile.
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post #29 of 110
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I get you Herandu, but don't you think it's quite improbably that one of the most prestigious audio cable companies in the world would try to con people?
A former director in the "education" section of Monster was up to a year ago my boss. I haven't laughed so much for years after reading through some of the teaching material. It was however serious stuff apparently...
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Too bad Patrick82 is no more
So he finally managed to electrocute himself! I really need to keep up with the news around here more often!
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