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post #31 of 97
5/16/07 at 12:43pm
Yes, but why Grado GS-1000 is on this list so ? i ear Many people here say that RS-1 is better then Grado GS-1000 (unless for big classical orcherstra) that make me wonder if to be classed very high end it's the price who count much then the sound ?


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Originally Posted by jinp6301 View Post
pshh

anyone who's heard the PS-1s and/or the HP-1000s knows that properly amped, these two headphones blow the RS-1 out of the water

IMO of course
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post #32 of 97
5/16/07 at 12:56pm
TakeT H2 because of it's funky driver type. Even if they didn't sound as good as you said, Duggeh, I think I'd still like to own a pair because they are so quirky. Also, your comment one them going down to 0 Htz amazes me. I think my CD3K's reach dang low (lower than anything I've ever heard by a large margin) and I love this aspect when the music calls for it.

R10 because I love my CD3000's and want more of them! I'd like better bass definition (not necessarily a larger quantity, but more refined) and perhaps a bit more "romantic" sort of sound. Also because they are woodies and wood's the only wat to go!

However, since I most likely won't ever be able to afford a pair, my (semi-attainable) dream pair of cans would be my CD3000's with R10 look alike driver housings (Purple Heart) and R10 drivers installed. I'm already getting one of the best recables money can buy (or so I'm told) and I've already got some pretty schwing (imo at least) wood cups for them, so I'm thinking I could get maybe 90-95% of the R10 sound just by getting me a pair of drivers. After I get some new driver housings with similarly shaped inner chambers, I'm guessing I could get them pretty dang close to the real mccoy. If I can get myself a pair of leather earpads for them too, I'd be set for life!

(Edit: I'm assuming that if the D5000's are "high end" my CD3K's are. )
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post #33 of 97
5/16/07 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by lerio View Post
Yes, but why Grado GS-1000 is on this list so ? i ear Many people here say that RS-1 is better then Grado GS-1000 (unless for big classical orcherstra) that make me wonder if to be classed very high end it's the price who count much then the sound ?
the gs1000 is probably up there because it is currently at the top of grado's line up. there are more than a few examples of cans lower down the line that people feel sound better than the manf.'s top of the line can (stax, sennheiser, beyer, etc. come to mind).

on a sidenote - i do think the rs1 sounds better than the gs1000....though i would not own either of them since i'm not a fan of an overemphasized upper end
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post #34 of 97
5/16/07 at 1:06pm
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However, since I most likely won't ever be able to afford a pair, my (semi-attainable) dream pair of cans would be my CD3000's with R10 look alike driver housings (Purple Heart) and R10 drivers installed. I'm already getting one of the best recables money can buy (or so I'm told) and I've already got some pretty schwing (imo at least) wood cups for them, so I'm thinking I could get maybe 90-95% of the R10 sound just by getting me a pair of drivers. After I get some new driver housings with similarly shaped inner chambers, I'm guessing I could get them pretty dang close to the real mccoy. If I can get myself a pair of leather earpads for them too, I'd be set for life!
R10 drivers are almost 1000 Dollars a pair.
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post #35 of 97
5/16/07 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by lerio View Post
You voluntary forget RS-1 ?
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Originally Posted by lerio View Post
Yes, but why Grado GS-1000 is on this list so ? i ear Many people here say that RS-1 is better then Grado GS-1000 (unless for big classical orcherstra) that make me wonder if to be classed very high end it's the price who count much then the sound ?
Voluntarily yes, forget no. The RS-1, to my thinking, belongs with the HD650, K701, Proline 2500, Ergo 2, SR-404, etc. in the top tier of the consumer level. The GS1000, as its name suggests is a top line statement product and it is in there for the same reason I have included every other In-Production headphone at that level. The way it sounds to come people isnt my consideration, the performance and to a lesser degree, status index is. Its also doing much better than the Ergo AMT is as far as vote support goes, so it has to be doing something right. I also didn't include the AT W5000, although perhaps I should have given that the Denon is there.

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Originally Posted by mulveling View Post
From that list I've currently got: L3000, Qualia 010, DX1000
Previously owned: R10, K1000, HP1000, Edition 9
Have auditioned: Omega II
Would like to try (but don't want to spend the necessary funds): PS-1

There are only 2 possible changes I've been contemplating making to my headphone line-up. First, I've been flirting with selling the DX1000 for a while now; though I don't know if I'll ever go through with it. Second, I'd like to re-purchase an HD650 w/ Zu. It'll be nice to have a great pair of cans without valuable leather/wood/etc to scratch, and the HD650 I'm borrowing sounds amazing with my vinyl rig. The L3000 and Qualia 010 are here to stay.
What is it that's making you think about selling the DX1000 and why do you keep it as a partner alongside the L3000? I've had the fortune to be able to listen to one for a while now and they do an awful lot right but I find that they can be curiously inconsistent, sounding just amazing with certain albums but less so with others, even of a similar music type. Even more so than the Ergo AMT can be in this regard. Also of the L3000 and the Qualia, which do you prefer, or at least, listen to the most?

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Originally Posted by jay spec View Post
having listened to most of the ones listed already, and owning the dx1000 and ue10pro currently...there are only a couple i'd still like to get my hands on. i checked off on the following:

Sennheiser HE90 - would i ever pay for one? probably not...as long as it continues to demand a cost out of my price range. however, it remains one of the best cans i've heard to date.

Stax 4070 - if i were to ever purchase an electrostat, this would be it. i prefer it over the omega2's.

TakeT H2 - while i haven't heard it before, the concept intrigues me...would love to give it a listen in the future.
What is it that you liked better about the 4070 over the Omega 2? Was it anything which was in specificity to do with it being closed back? Is that also an aspect of why you like the DX1000?


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Originally Posted by khbaur330162 View Post
TakeT H2 because of it's funky driver type. Even if they didn't sound as good as you said, Duggeh, I think I'd still like to own a pair because they are so quirky. Also, your comment one them going down to 0 Htz amazes me. I think my CD3K's reach dang low (lower than anything I've ever heard by a large margin) and I love this aspect when the music calls for it.

R10 because I love my CD3000's and want more of them! I'd like better bass definition (not necessarily a larger quantity, but more refined) and perhaps a bit more "romantic" sort of sound. Also because they are woodies and wood's the only wat to go!

However, since I most likely won't ever be able to afford a pair, my (semi-attainable) dream pair of cans would be my CD3000's with R10 look alike driver housings (Purple Heart) and R10 drivers installed. I'm already getting one of the best recables money can buy (or so I'm told) and I've already got some pretty schwing (imo at least) wood cups for them, so I'm thinking I could get maybe 90-95% of the R10 sound just by getting me a pair of drivers. After I get some new driver housings with similarly shaped inner chambers, I'm guessing I could get them pretty dang close to the real mccoy. If I can get myself a pair of leather earpads for them too, I'd be set for life!

(Edit: I'm assuming that if the D5000's are "high end" my CD3K's are. )
Your mutant hybrid R10 plan sounds like some incredible work of headphone science fiction. Crazy talk!

You can maybe pass better judgement on the H2 at the end of the month, by whence I should have my big review done. I certainly think that there is room for them at the top end of the head-fi spectrum. Given how much love there has been for the Edition 9, and the continual sales of the Omega 2, there's certainly a market for headphones at that price level.
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post #36 of 97
5/16/07 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by lerio View Post
Yes, but why Grado GS-1000 is on this list so ? i ear Many people here say that RS-1 is better then Grado GS-1000 (unless for big classical orcherstra) that make me wonder if to be classed very high end it's the price who count much then the sound ?
As has been mentioned many times already, the RS and the GS have completely different presentations. The fact that many Grado fans prefer the RS does not detract from the GS's performance in it's own right, which in my opinion is clearly above and beyond the RS in every respect, bearing in mind differences in taste.

What piques my curiosity are some strange things being said about the GS that seem far removed from reasonable observation. For example, that they are too bright or uncontrolled. I don't know how these things get started but calling the GS too bright is like calling the HD650 too bright - looking at the headroom FR graph, they are almost identical above 12Khz. It's clear whomever is making such comments hasn't had extensive listening with them.

So please, unless you have yourself had extensive listening with a (burned in) pair of whatever headphone you're commenting on, don't perpetuate what may be myths and misconceptions.
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post #37 of 97
5/16/07 at 3:42pm
Stax 4070 -> Because I would really like a closed back electrostatic headphone.
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post #38 of 97
5/16/07 at 3:59pm
Currently own the K1K and PS-1 which aren't going anywhere. Would love to take the next step and add a top tier closed pair into the mix. Hopefully either a pair of “Leather Heads” or the “King” of dynamics in the near future.
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post #39 of 97
5/16/07 at 4:38pm
I'll just stand back and watch
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post #40 of 97
5/16/07 at 5:17pm
My wish list is short. I think I can get by with only one pair of cans, but they should have the comfort of a DT880, the isolation of a UE-10 Pro, the profound lows of an HD25-1, the mellow midrange of a W1000, the reality upper midrange of an HE60, the airy highs of an electrostat (several Stax types will do; I’m not too fussy), the appearance of a manufactured DT990 all black (I may be tempted by a woodie though), the storage box of an Edition 9, the weight of a PX100 and the price of an HD201.
Awaiting this, I could settle with an L3000 for a while..
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post #41 of 97
5/16/07 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
What is it that you liked better about the 4070 over the Omega 2? Was it anything which was in specificity to do with it being closed back? Is that also an aspect of why you like the DX1000?
the 4070's appear to have a less colored midrange than the omega 2's...though both presentations are enjoyable, i prefer the more neutral midrange the 4070 provides.

i don't know if their being closed is a factor, but the 4070's seem to have a more tactile and dynamic bass, giving more impact in the lower registers (closer to that of a good dynamic can)...something i feel is missing from many electrostats.

overall, i'd characterize the 4070's as being somewhat similar to the 404's, but with better bass, and a bit less emphasis placed on the very upper frequencies.

i originally purchased the dx1000's because of their closed nature for listening at home when there was significant background noise. however, i have found myself using them more for low-level listening in general as they seem to excel in that area. i particularly enjoy their deep bass and soundstage.

since you've had a chance to give the dx1000's a listen....care to share some thoughts on how it compares to the taket h2? i'm particularly interested in the bass performance
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post #42 of 97
5/16/07 at 6:05pm
I own the PS-1 and ue10 and I'm completely happy with these headphones. The ue10 could use a Tomahawk amp to bring it to its fullest.

If I had money to waste and could find them, I'd want the HP-1000, just to have a more neutral Grado for the few songs the PS-1 is too colored for. The other headphone would be the L3000 just to have the PS-1 sound in a closed headphone. If I found the L3000 sounded as good or better than the PS-1 after owning them for a while, I might not have a need for the PS-1 anymore.
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post #43 of 97
5/16/07 at 8:03pm
I was very greedy and voted for L3k, K1k, PS-1, 010, R10, HE90, O1. They're all headphones that I must listen to before I expire and get sent to Bedlam.

L3k and PS-1 because they represent the very epitome of their respective brands and have a famous bass. I'd like to get a taste of that bass.

K1k because they're the closest thing in the headphone world to speakers. I wonder what the soundstage is like.

010 because they are apparently the closest dynamic headphones will ever get to sound like electrostatics.

R10 and O1 because of the legendary status and good reputation for classical music reproduction.

HE90 because I already own the HE60 and would like to know what Sennheiser is capable when they make a cost-no-object transducer not to mention their status as the most expensive headphones in the world.
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post #44 of 97
5/16/07 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by lerio View Post
Yes, but why Grado GS-1000 is on this list so ? i ear Many people here say that RS-1 is better then Grado GS-1000 (unless for big classical orcherstra) that make me wonder if to be classed very high end it's the price who count much then the sound ?
Goodcans review:

"But, side by side with the GS1000, hands down I prefer the sound of the Grado. The AKG K1000 does offer a very spacious sound. But the Grado GS1000 has a fuller sound. The bass is just more prevalent, but not at all overwhelming. Another plus, I can hear that reverberation that continues after the note has finished, (listening to acoustic recordings of course). Will I ever listen to my K1000 again?"

Audio Audition review:

"The Great Grados do not make brash recordings sound polite, nor polite recordings sound brash. Have I mentioned that they are the first to give you what is on the software. And they are comfortable. They are a nominee for “Max Dudious’s Product of the Year, 2006.” Good job, everyone at Grado Labs. And when you rush out to buy a pair, grab your old lady and do a stately Pomp & Circumstance up to the counter, modestly slide him your Platinum Card, and remember to tell the guy, “Max Dudious sent me.”"

6moons review:

"I have heard practically all of the top offerings from each of those headphone companies, including the Beyer DT880, the AKG K1000 (discontinued) and K701, as well as the Sony SA5000 and R10 (discontinued). I find the GS-1000 the most enjoyable of them all."

there are more but these should safice. Some legitimately don't like the GS-1000, K-1000, HP-2 (well who couldn't like this phone), PS-1, R10, HE-90, etc. But that doesn't mean they all don't belong in the top tier.
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post #45 of 97
5/16/07 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by thrillmetoo View Post
My wish list is short. I think I can get by with only one pair of cans, but they should have the comfort of a DT880, the isolation of a UE-10 Pro, the profound lows of an HD25-1, the mellow midrange of a W1000, the reality upper midrange of an HE60, the airy highs of an electrostat (several Stax types will do; I’m not too fussy), the appearance of a manufactured DT990 all black (I may be tempted by a woodie though), the storage box of an Edition 9, the weight of a PX100 and the price of an HD201.
Awaiting this, I could settle with an L3000 for a while..
You dont ask for much do you? :-o


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Originally Posted by jay spec View Post
the 4070's appear to have a less colored midrange than the omega 2's...though both presentations are enjoyable, i prefer the more neutral midrange the 4070 provides.

i don't know if their being closed is a factor, but the 4070's seem to have a more tactile and dynamic bass, giving more impact in the lower registers (closer to that of a good dynamic can)...something i feel is missing from many electrostats.

overall, i'd characterize the 4070's as being somewhat similar to the 404's, but with better bass, and a bit less emphasis placed on the very upper frequencies.

i originally purchased the dx1000's because of their closed nature for listening at home when there was significant background noise. however, i have found myself using them more for low-level listening in general as they seem to excel in that area. i particularly enjoy their deep bass and soundstage.

since you've had a chance to give the dx1000's a listen....care to share some thoughts on how it compares to the taket h2? i'm particularly interested in the bass performance
I can understand entirely what you mean by your preference in the colouration. The electrostatic bass signature is also a sticking point for so many people when they hear that sound. Very interesting to hear that the 4070 adds that thump in harmonics somewhat. I also agree with you on the deep bass of the DX1000, it can be very good, however sometimes it seems to just dissolve. I also find the DX1000 very very fatiguing at anything but lower volumes. This may be because my ears have become so used to planar drivers. On the DX1000 v. H2, I will mention a comparison in the H2 review.

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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
I was very greedy and voted for L3k, K1k, PS-1, 010, R10, HE90, O1. They're all headphones that I must listen to before I expire and get sent to Bedlam.

L3k and PS-1 because they represent the very epitome of their respective brands and have a famous bass. I'd like to get a taste of that bass.

K1k because they're the closest thing in the headphone world to speakers. I wonder what the soundstage is like.

010 because they are apparently the closest dynamic headphones will ever get to sound like electrostatics.

R10 and O1 because of the legendary status and good reputation for classical music reproduction.

HE90 because I already own the HE60 and would like to know what Sennheiser is capable when they make a cost-no-object transducer not to mention their status as the most expensive headphones in the world.

Greedy indeed Jonathan, you clearly lack self control!

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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
there are more but these should safice. Some legitimately don't like the GS-1000, K-1000, HP-2 (well who couldn't like this phone), PS-1, R10, HE-90, etc. But that doesn't mean they all don't belong in the top tier.
Indeed, non-universal critical merit does not correlate with sub-standard performance.
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