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post #16 of 44
5/9/07 at 12:22pm
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Phenomenal! Thanks so much, you've been a great help.
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post #17 of 44
5/9/07 at 12:39pm
Nice tables - lucky you! I pactricularly dig the looks of the ADC. Choice of cartridges isn't really limited despite the low mass arm - most modern MMs with some 5 - 6 g in weight and a compliance of 20 - 25 µm/mN will work, eg. Ortofon OM(B)10/20/30(Super), Ortofon 5x0MkII/VinylMaster series, Goldring 10xx(GX) series...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
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post #18 of 44
5/9/07 at 2:28pm
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Nice tables - lucky you! I pactricularly dig the looks of the ADC. Choice of cartridges isn't really limited despite the low mass arm -
That ADC is so early '80s. It rocks

What I meant was it limits the choice of cart to MM or MI ( Moving Iron) carts and there are not that many real high-end high compliance carts around these days.

The Goldrings are lovely but a bit overpriced in the US I think, and since Shure stopped making the V15 there isn't a really a new top notch choice for Ultra Low Mass arms apart from perhaps the Music Maker III or the Soundsmith version of the B&O MMC2 or MMC1
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post #19 of 44
5/9/07 at 3:12pm
[QUOTE=memepool;2942238]That ADC is so early '80s. It rocks

It does, doesn't it. I certain ways, I like it even more than my Braun PS550... The arm looks intriguing...

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What I meant was it limits the choice of cart to MM or MI ( Moving Iron) carts and there are not that many real high-end high compliance carts around these days. (...)
Not really, 'cause a lot of MCs are rather heavy (~ 10 g), which compensates the lower compliance. Resonance-wise he'd still be ok with something like Ortofon's Rondo series, for example...

But you sure are right concerning the lack of choice in terms of really high compliance MMs nowadays. That's why I'd rather avoid Dual's extreme ULM arms today - efective mass for these was 4.5 g (or 7 g incl. the stock carts).

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
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post #20 of 44
5/9/07 at 3:20pm
Congrats on your new turntables! With the help of people who've posted in this thread, I joined Team Vinyl a couple of months ago.

If you want, bring your turntable to the Seattle mini-meet (see my sig for the link), and I can bring my Shure gauge and Michael Fremer DVD on turntable setup (I can bring a portable DVD player if you need it).
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post #21 of 44
5/9/07 at 4:03pm
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Congrats on your new turntables! With the help of people who've posted in this thread, I joined Team Vinyl a couple of months ago.

If you want, bring your turntable to the Seattle mini-meet (see my sig for the link), and I can bring my Shure gauge and Michael Fremer DVD on turntable setup (I can bring a portable DVD player if you need it).
That's a very nice offer socrates I've got a shure gauge on the way but am very interested in taking a look at that DVD. I'll have to see if I can make the meet.
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post #22 of 44
5/10/07 at 2:06am
Just let me know ahead of time and I'll bring it.
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post #23 of 44
5/16/07 at 2:28pm
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So I think I've settled on replacing the cartridge in the pioneer as the stylus/cart on the ADC seems in decent shape.

I've narrowed my searching down to 3:

- AT440Mla
- Shure M97xe
- Ortofon OROM05E

I know the AT and Shure are MM and the Ortofon is MC. I'm planning on building a pre-amp for use with headphones (my receiver already has a phono stage) and know the MMs require less gain and there seems to be a wider variety of MM kits like the Bottlehead Seduction.

Any comments? How will the Shure and AT fair as far as compliance, matching to the tonearm? TIA
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post #24 of 44
5/16/07 at 2:48pm
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So I think I've settled on replacing the cartridge in the pioneer as the stylus/cart on the ADC seems in decent shape.

I've narrowed my searching down to 3:

- AT440Mla
- Shure M97xe
- Ortofon OROM05E

I know the AT and Shure are MM and the Ortofon is MC. I'm planning on building a pre-amp for use with headphones (my receiver already has a phono stage) and know the MMs require less gain and there seems to be a wider variety of MM kits like the Bottlehead Seduction.

Any comments? How will the Shure and AT fair as far as compliance, matching to the tonearm? TIA
Isn't that the ortofon OM5? in which case it's a pretty high compliance MM and would be a better choice on the ADC deck.

None of these carts above are really a good match for the Pioneer as the arm is 18gms. The best value for money match on the Pioneer arm is the ADC QLM which LP gear also carry as it's low compliance.

If you want an MC then the Denon DL110 is the cheapest suitable and is high output so will work fine with a standard MM stage.
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post #25 of 44
5/16/07 at 4:28pm
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I like the specs and price of the QLM.

I think I'm getting confused on some of this nomenclature...the tonearm is going to define the type of cartridge required (standard vs. p-type), no?

What type of cartridges do these accept? It looks to me like the Pioneer is a p type mount whereas the ADC is a standard? Am I all backwards?

EDIT: so its the headshell that dictates the type of cartridge mount. Obviously the headshell on the ADC is meant for standard 1/2" cartridges...what is the headshell on the pioneer?

2nd EDIT: the headshell on the pioneer would appear to be of a proprietary type. I'm going to snag a universal headshell from LP gear along with the ADC QLM...then I need to go out and get some more vinyl
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post #26 of 44
5/17/07 at 7:59am
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I like the specs and price of the QLM.

I think I'm getting confused on some of this nomenclature...the tonearm is going to define the type of cartridge required (standard vs. p-type), no?

What type of cartridges do these accept? It looks to me like the Pioneer is a p type mount whereas the ADC is a standard? Am I all backwards?

EDIT: so its the headshell that dictates the type of cartridge mount. Obviously the headshell on the ADC is meant for standard 1/2" cartridges...what is the headshell on the pioneer?

2nd EDIT: the headshell on the pioneer would appear to be of a proprietary type. I'm going to snag a universal headshell from LP gear along with the ADC QLM...then I need to go out and get some more vinyl
As per your 2nd edit the headshell and cart now on the Pioneer are not P-Mount but are rather a special integrated ADC design like this
http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merc...=ADCINTSTXLMII

So you do need to buy a new headshell as well as a cart for the Pioneer as you say. Ask LPgear if they have any ADC magnesium headshells as this would be the ideal thing to lower the mass of the Pioneer arm. If not just get their standard one and keep an eye out on ebay.

While you are getting stuff from LPGear I would also pick up one of these http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merc...ct_Code=PTS008
which is a spare headshell for your ADC arm allowing you to swop over different carts easily without having to unmount them.

Incidently this ADC headshell looks very similar to the Linn LVX headshell and the bearing assembly of the ADC arm is a dead ringer for that of the Linn LVV arm so it wouldn't surprise me at all if these emanated from the same OEM factory in Japan.
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post #27 of 44
5/17/07 at 12:10pm
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Just scored the ADC LMB-1 magnesium headshell. Tomorrow I'll be placing an order from lpgear for a spare headshell for the adc and the QLM for the pioneer.

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that this is not going to help my wallet?
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post #28 of 44
5/17/07 at 12:19pm
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Just scored the ADC LMB-1 magnesium headshell. Tomorrow I'll be placing an order from lpgear for a spare headshell for the adc and the QLM for the pioneer.

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that this is not going to help my wallet?
cool. that's a result those appear to be fairly hard to come by. Most headshells on ebay seem to either be exotic Japanese ones for moving coils or bog stand ones for Technics 1200's.

I think you've done pretty well, all things considered, to get not 1 but 3 rather nice decks up and running for a few hundred dollars.

you could just as easily have blown it on an interconnect
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post #29 of 44
5/18/07 at 1:49pm
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cool. that's a result those appear to be fairly hard to come by. Most headshells on ebay seem to either be exotic Japanese ones for moving coils or bog stand ones for Technics 1200's.

I think you've done pretty well, all things considered, to get not 1 but 3 rather nice decks up and running for a few hundred dollars.

you could just as easily have blown it on an interconnect
Just finished placing my order with LPGear.com went a little overboard but not as bad as I could've. Ended up with:

- ADC QLM 32 MKIII (does anyone have a hard number on the compliance of this particular cart?)

- Replacement headshell for the ADC arm per memepools recommendation

- cart mounting screws

- alignment protractor w/level

I'm definitely looking forward to getting the pioneer up and running. Now I've got to decide on a tube pre-amp to make to use with both. Any suggestions?
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post #30 of 44
5/18/07 at 3:54pm
I don't like all these folks getting into vinyl. They buy up all the good used records. Enjoy, those will both be nice TT's.
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