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DT880 , same signature but better bass ?

post #1 of 52
Thread Starter 
Hi ,

I want to ask for advice . Atm I have DT880 , and I like it . The only thing that I missing is more bass and attack . It's sounds really good , I love they soundstage and details .. But the music is little "lifeless" for me ..

Which cans can you advice in order to achieve my dream ?

Source : NAD C542
Amp : A.N.T Amber

Thnx in advance !
post #2 of 52
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Originally Posted by Shahter View Post
Hi ,

I want to ask for advice . Atm I have DT880 , and I like it . The only thing that I missing is more bass and attack . It's sounds really good , I love they soundstage and details .. But the music is little "lifeless" for me ..

Which cans can you advice in order to achieve my dream ?

Source : NAD C542
Amp : A.N.T Amber

Thnx in advance !
Read up on the Ultrasone Proline 2500. This is one possibility. Depends on the music you will be listening too. If you play music with lots of musical distortion I would not recommend the 2500 but otherwise I think it may be one ticket you may enjoy. The 2500 lets you hear what is recorded very well with the detail of the DT880 and much more bass with fast, tight bass.
post #3 of 52
Thread Starter 
Thank you Slwiser !

Music that I"am listenning to is very different. From metal to electronic , and some acoustic and guitar. What I"am definitely not listening is classical music.

My first choise is acoustic , then metal , and then electronic .

I"am looking on nowdays so popular Dennon 5000 , but from what I can read it's more like HD 650 ?

Another note that I should add , is that I like to listen to music at low-average volumes .
post #4 of 52
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Originally Posted by Shahter View Post
Thank you Slwiser !

Music that I"am listenning to is very different. From metal to electronic , and some acoustic and guitar. What I"am definitely not listening is classical music.

My first choise is acoustic , then metal , and then electronic .

I"am looking on nowdays so popular Dennon 5000 , but from what I can read it's more like HD 650 ?

Another note that I should add , is that I like to listen to music at low-average volumes .
Go over to the big Ultrasone thread and ask your question there about metal and see if those there would give you some feedback. Other than metal, which I do not listen too, I think the 2500 would be a fit. I know that some of the people there listen to metal and produce metal.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207164

One more thing is that the Ultrasone is design to provide a better listening environment at lower sound levels.
post #5 of 52
Thread Starter 
Thank you, will do so
post #6 of 52
Enjoyment of the dt880 is highly dependent of the individual track..............you'd surely end up preferring dt990. Considerably more bass and more treble - but not too much of either.
post #7 of 52
To me it seems like you're predestined for the AD2000. I've previously had the DT880 ('03) but sold it in favor of my beloved HD650 - I simply liked the bassy signature and the overall smoother presentation more. Sometimes the sheer treble energy on the DT880 was a little over the top for me, especially with its tendency to be a little sibilant.
I now have the AD2000 next to the HD650 and from memory I think I can say that there are a lot of similarities to the DT880. The AD2000 strikes me as more neutral overall though - it has less piercing treble (on a decent source it's almost never sibilant) but has a very well defined bass that never falls short in the overall presantation. If you're looking for some punchy musical bass, the AD2000 is for you.
post #8 of 52
To generalize, dt880 has a rather drier signature than the other top two Beyers, and really deserves a tube amp.. to reflect its' quality.
post #9 of 52
DT990 is IMO simply DT880 with more bass
This is moving from 2003 DT880 to 2005 DT990 though..
post #10 of 52
Thread Starter 
I tested DT990 before I bought DT880 and they were excellent , but the highs just killed me all the rest was really nice !

But for now I start to think that this is was just not burned-in cans ... Because I noticed how changed ( in good direction ) mine DT880 , after some time .

Regarding AD2000 , I readed Xenithon's post that compre AD2000 with Dennon's 5K , and found there this quote :

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The "problem" i had with the AD2000 was their bass, it just couldnt create the impact the closed W5000 (though with less quantity) or L3000 could create. It has more bass than a K701 but less than the HD650, however the bass is too soft or airy, if that makes any sense.
I know how K701 and 650 sounds, so I can realize this statement , and this is not waht I"am looking for.
post #11 of 52
dt880 need aprox. 200 hours of burn-in. Skylab has reported their bass is better with Genuine Leather earpads - but they'll be difficult to get as their purchase is tied to pairs sold with Beyer Manufacture page headphones. You have to find someone ordering those phones to specify a spare pair when ordering.
post #12 of 52
In order of importance in your application is that you state your preferance to listen at low listening levels and to my experience this is exactly where the 990s shine in their development of believable bass response.

Coupled with your satisfaction with the 880s you know exactly what to expect moving to the 990s rather than moving to another house sound in search of more bass responce.

Obviously your system is set up so as to sound pleasing with the otherwise excietable high freq extention of the 880s...

I highly suggest the 990s for your application.


P.S. with referance to these very good points:

The "problem" i had with the AD2000 was their bass, it just couldnt create the impact the closed W5000 (though with less quantity) or L3000 could create. It has more bass than a K701 but less than the HD650, however the bass is too soft or airy, if that makes any sense.

(asside from the comparison to cans and their cost)

What will the bass actually present to be?

Yes, the 990s for instance, also is a more of an "airy" bass than one with "impact" caveat being, IN MY SYSTEM(using the Heed for this test). For instance, same volume levels with accoustic music, the 701s bass has more impact or attack ('thwap') and definition, however the 990s has more quantity of an "airy' bass response which seems to hang in the venue much like a room loaded with low bass frequencys.

As always, source and amp as well as personal preferance will dictate which is heard to be preferable.

Best of luck~
post #13 of 52
i don't find my DT880s to lack bass from my Ming Da MC66-AE tube amp fed by DAC-AH but. to my ears anyway

depends how much extra bass you want but maybe a source/amp change might be the trick if you love everything else about them
post #14 of 52
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Originally Posted by Shahter View Post
Regarding AD2000 , I readed Xenithon's post that compre AD2000 with Dennon's 5K , and found there this quote :
Quote:
The "problem" i had with the AD2000 was their bass, it just couldnt create the impact the closed W5000 (though with less quantity) or L3000 could create. It has more bass than a K701 but less than the HD650, however the bass is too soft or airy, if that makes any sense.
I know how K701 and 650 sounds, so I can realize this statement , and this is not waht I"am looking for.
Well, I haven't heard the W5000 thoroughly but on a quick audition I didn't like it much at all. This was in direct comparison to the AD2000. This wasn't a fair comparison at all, given the short time I've spent with them, I have to admit, but it didn't really convince me to continue listening at that point.
I can assure you that (at least in my setup) the bass of the AD2000 is not "soft" and "airy" at all. It's certainly less in quantity than the HD650's bass but then again it's much more punchy and gives you the extra feeling of a "thwack" (instead of "boom/wham") with kickdrums. It's not at all weightless or thin, it's just doesn't have as much bass quantity as the HD650s have.
I'm really wondering why you say the AD2000 can't be what you're looking for. From what I understand, you said you were looking for something retaining the DT880's signature, yet providing a little more bass and attack. This IS the AD2000 in my opinion. Its bass is not thin or weightless, it's overall a fairly neutral headphone. With the right tracks, its bass hits hard and extends low. If you want more bass, the only logical choices (within the same price range) are the HD650 and (from what I've read on head-fi) the Denon AH-D2000.
post #15 of 52
Thread Starter 
Guys, thank you for all your replies !

I definitely have to listen again to DT990 , it was really close to my music taste despite of it's highs ( as I already noticed before )

D-cee ,

maybe you are right , but where I"am living ( Israel ) there not so much amp's to try . I bought my A.N.T some time ago and was not so wrong with the choice, it's really good , detailed and dynamicly balanced amp , but i think dt880really need some tube amp .. I want to try Darkvoice 336I , and maybe buy it .

Big-ban ,

What I mentioned when I wrote that this is not what I"am looking for , was only reagrding a bass , not a sonic signature. Because I found DT990 even more bassy then HD650 , so cans that have even less then 650 , is not for me . BUT. This is maybe because I like to listen in low volume , and this is not the "place" where HD650 wins .
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