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post #16 of 57
4/30/07 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by mrarroyo View Post
I kept my GS1000 for over 300 hours of burn in. Eventually I gave up and returned it. To me it was all bass and treble w/ no mids. Personally I prefer the RS1 or RS2.
Yep - I had you covered. You would fall into this group:

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While some people that have owned the GS-1000 didn't like them in the long run...

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post #17 of 57
4/30/07 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
While some people that have owned the GS-1000 didn't like them in the long run, most of the people that didn't/don't like the GS-1000 base it off of a short meet impression or at a friends house,etc.
"Some" could be any number up to 50... and "most" only needs to be 51. I've not idea how anyone would know something like this without taking a survey. I tried, but didn't ask straight up if you "didn't like" the GS-1000s how long did you listen to it and where. And I doubt it's a large enough sample and what other headphones those that voted owned or have heard.

I wasn't thinking about other meet impressions, but actually those that bought the GS-1000s. I agree trying headphones out in one's system is best. And also I do think it is important to give gear a chance to grow. Yet if I don't like a component after say two to three weeks (and with headphones running them pretty much 24/7) it's safe to say more time isn't going to make a substantial difference. I owned the GS-1000s for about four weeks and in particular didn't like the bloated and overpowering bass, fatiguing highs, and no Grado mids.
post #18 of 57
4/30/07 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by 909 View Post
I wasn't thinking about other meet impressions, but actually those that bought the GS-1000s.
I guess my assumption about more people listening to GS-1000s at meets then actually owning them, giving impression and your assumption taken from owners that they are a let down overall after the first international meet are both - not verifiable. I will agree with that.
post #19 of 57
4/30/07 at 5:28pm
verifiable or not... (which is usually few and far between)

I still "believe" the GS-1000 haven't been well received by the community or better stated as expected it should have been after the initial hoopla. But all that first national meet excitement, a new flagship from a highly regarded manufacturer and so on might have played into the hype and in real terms it's probably no different than any other product where some like it, some are indifferent, and others will not.

What's verifiable is our individual experiences and shared subjective opinions.
post #20 of 57
4/30/07 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by 909 View Post
verifiable or not... (which is usually few and far between)

I still "believe" the GS-1000 haven't been well received by the community or better stated as expected it should have been after the initial hoopla. But all that first national meet excitement, a new flagship from a highly regarded manufacturer and so on might have played into the hype and in real terms it's probably no different than any other product where some like it, some are indifferent, and others will not.

What's verifiable is our individual experiences and shared subjective opinions.
Since this thread has gone off track I guess we can consider our arguing what is opinion and what is fact as a bump on the thread.. just to keep things positive.

I don't think the HD650 lived up to the hype either. It took a long time to get HD600 owners to feel it was much of an improvement - if it was an improvement at all. I know a lot of people thinking it is on the same level as the HD600, just different (some still feel that way today). As time went by the HD600 is not as popular and the HD650 became the reference Senn. I still prefer the HD600 - but I've always stuck to my own ears - usually against the grain.
post #21 of 57
4/30/07 at 6:22pm
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Keep it clean, but have at it. Or, in Wes Phillips' words, we are after light, not just heat. . .
I don't know. It's kind of chilly in my office at the moment!
post #22 of 57
4/30/07 at 6:24pm
edit: (that was weird)

what track? I've seen at least a few over the 40+ pages (until the thread just got cut).

Weren't we discussing whether the GS-1000s lived up to the positive hype at the first national meet?

In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have used the GS-1000s as an example because it wasn't even the point I was trying to make about the equally dangerous highly "positive" meet impression in contrast with Wmcmanus comment only dissing highly negative ones.

The HD650 hype is interesting, but not so relevant to over the top meet impressions whether positive or negative. And I'll paraphrase as you put it stick with your ears. And add your gear since what sounds good in one system may sound like crap or less than ideal in another.
post #23 of 57
4/30/07 at 6:34pm
Shouldn't this thread been titled:

"OFFICIAL UNOFFICIAL IMPRESSIONS OF THE OFFICIAL UNOFFICIAL 2007 INTERNATIONAL MEET IMPRESSIONS THREAD"




As for my viewpoint, it is good to have both positive and negative feedback. From a manufacturer's point of view, the positive is a good ego boost and indicator of what is liked, and the negative is an indicator of what to improve upon.

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post #24 of 57
4/30/07 at 6:41pm
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on topic: I'm not sure what the whole GS1000 thing was about. But considering that people were saying about that can at last year's national meet, and what I had for two months, I certainly don't think that it was a perfect match between impressions and my personal reality. Although I loved the GS1000 for what it did (see my review in the GS1000 owner's thread) and I certainly can see it as one of my reference cans, it just didn't make me fall in love with the music, and (of course) the midrange was as dry as a bone.

Of course, I can really say the same thing of just about anything really. If I had listened to the K1000/F1/Transporter rig at the national meet I certainly wouldn't have as much respect for the K1000/F1 as I do whenever I listen to Humanflyz's rig. The Zana Deux, i certainly think is over hyped by impressions... it does lack that spaced out, airy and precise soundstage that the Dynamight, RP010 and GSX put out. Another example would be the Dacs, I've never reached conclusions based on meet shootouts simply because of how unreliable they are. For a while I thought the Stello sounded better than the lavry Gold! that's how meets are...

Part of the problem faced in the forum is the inability to review everything. I guess i'm pretty lucky to live in Berkeley and the Bay Area... so much good stuff surrounding me, but most Head-fiers live relatively isolated from one another. the forum and meet impressions are what drives most purchases of audio gear... and it isn't something we can just ignore just because we are lucky enough to have the chance to try stuff out. When i came to the forum, everything I bought at first was based on meet impressions and the threads.

In a way, i think that our standing up here and declaring that trying out gear/synergy/personal taste is right on, but it is also like a group of citizens proclaiming the best thing is for everyone to drive at 55 miles per hour... only a small portion of us will actually have the chance/circumstances to take advantage of the recommendation.

the question becomes where does this leave us, the hobby and those looking for recommendations. Should we base decisions on previous product reputation? design complexity? meet impressions? looks? personality behind the product?..... all these things come into play and I don't know the answer.
post #25 of 57
4/30/07 at 7:03pm
The Zana has been hyped to a certain extend. But it has also received unflattering impressions as well. So there is some balance. I wonder how much of a factor does the actual man behind the product at the meet with his products have to do with the impressions. IMO, it probably does more good than not. I've heard those other amps excluding the RP010 and each have things that I like and shortcomings as well. I think that goes without say for basically every product. In the end for me the decision becomes can I listen to it for hours without getting bore or fatigued.

As to your question, I think people learn best by experience. And other people's impressions should be taken with a big grain of salt. But I'll be the first to admit that I research the "blank" out of anything I buy and look to find some sort of consensus, which the harder I look usually is less likely to find.
post #26 of 57
4/30/07 at 7:04pm
Good a new thread - I suddenly don't feel as guilty about derailing the meet thread

I didn't want it to turn into a GS-1000 discussion.

Your point was well taken 909 and using the GS-1000 was a good example. My original point was that the GS-1000 is still loved by certain people. I know Jude finds it as his favorite along with his HD650 still. His views haven't changed from the original meet. I just wanted to point out that it just because there are a lot of people that prefer the RS-1 and some that flat out hate the GS-1000, there are many experienced members who have compared it to the R10, etc. All the reviews have been stunning. So, it's not official that the GS-1000 was a flop.

I find the same faults as others. I like a thicker midrange. The bass is absolutely controlled on my Melos SHA-1. The highs are my biggest issue. While extended and wonderful on good recordings, they are harsh on other recordings because of the narrow spike. Hence, the love-hate with the GS-1000. But certainly not dissapointment and a let down by Mr. John Grado

So what the heck else are we supposed to talk about on this thread now
post #27 of 57
4/30/07 at 7:11pm
I think negative impressions should be just as welcome on audio gear of course. It's the good and the bad, and when you know someone's biases and preferences and how they relate to your own, it really helps.

But sadly, you have to also consider the source of the review. If it's from someone who sports a contrary attitude just seemingly for the sake of being contrary - for instance, putting a cd wrongly on top of another cd in the player, and blaming the cd player for that, or reporting untruths about the meet services (from what I've read it was hardly 12 bucks for a hotdog), it can leave the reader with a context you may not have intended. Seemingly having forgotten how hard people worked for the meet attendees' benefit, and how reporting untruths does hurt people's feelings. If this wasn't how you intended to come off, an apology or explanation is probably in order.

Who's writing the review gives the context, and if it's someone who just likes to be contrary, then contrary words will have less meaning.
post #28 of 57
4/30/07 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
So what the heck else are we supposed to talk about on this thread now
I don't know....

how this valueable and useful discussion about the dangers of highly positive/negative meet impressions is being snuffed.

Anyway, I can't stop talking about GS-1000s probably because they rate up there as one of the biggest let downs I've personally had after basing my purchase on Head-Fi impressions. Even though, when I first heard them paired with a few different SS amps I thought they sounded much better than with a real tube amp.
post #29 of 57
4/30/07 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by 909 View Post
what track? I've seen at least a few over the 40+ pages (until the thread just got cut).

Weren't we discussing whether the GS-1000s lived up to the positive hype at the first national meet?

In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have used the GS-1000s as an example . . . [*snip*]
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I don't know....

how this valueable and useful discussion about the dangers of highly positive/negative meet impressions is being snuffed.
How is making this tangential discussion a separate thread "cutting" or "snuffing" the topic? I simply felt that a couple of pages of philosophical argument about the effect of meet impressions could be separated from the actual discussion of the meet and the impressions it generated. Especially given the highly-charged discussion of the GS1000 from last year's meet it seemed reasonable at the time. To my mind, a separate thread highlights the issue, not snuffs it.
post #30 of 57
4/30/07 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by plainsong View Post
But sadly, you have to also consider the source of the review. If it's from someone who sports a contrary attitude just seemingly for the sake of being contrary - for instance, putting a cd wrongly on top of another cd in the player, and blaming the cd player for that, or reporting untruths about the meet services (from what I've read it was hardly 12 bucks for a hotdog), it can leave the reader with a context you may not have intended. Seemingly having forgotten how hard people worked for the meet attendees' benefit, and how reporting untruths does hurt people's feelings. If this wasn't how you intended to come off, an apology or explanation is probably in order.

Who's writing the review gives the context, and if it's someone who just likes to be contrary, then contrary words will have less meaning.
Repeatedly harping on someone isn't very nice. This subject has been address more than a few times by more than a few people. He's apologized and tried to explain his viewpoint. Pointing the finger isn't helpful and no one is perfect.
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