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post #31 of 134
I agree that it is a classy decision by Robert for recalling all of his previous Headphonia amps. However, it would have been even classier to concede that it wasn't only the crossfeed circuit that was copied, but the complete amplifiers; as observed by Kevin Gilmore.
post #32 of 134
I'm an owner of a first version Headphonia amp and I'm glad to see this whole issue may be coming to an end. I'm not an EE, lawyer, or an audiophile for that matter and can't even begin to take sides or have an opinion on the Meier vs Headphonia issue. I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys listening to good music on decent equipment. In my short time on this forum and with the help of it's members (thanks ), I've purchased my Ety ER4P, Beyer DT880, Xin Supermini IV, and the Headphonia amp. I've been very satisfied with each purchase and my Headphonia amp is no exception. Ok enough of my rambling.

I contacted Robert yesterday to coordinate an exchange, he responded very quickly and offered to send me the new amp before returning the old one which I'm very happy about. I almost didn't want to make the exchange due to my satisfaction with my current amp (AD8397 version) and the fact that the impedance switch has been removed from the new version, but...I opted to pay the difference (thanks again )and get the USB version of the amp.

I'll be sure to post when I receive the new amp.
post #33 of 134
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Originally Posted by Pete7 View Post
I agree that it is a classy decision by Robert for recalling all of his previous Headphonia amps. However, it would have been even classier to concede that it wasn't only the crossfeed circuit that was copied, but the complete amplifiers; as observed by Kevin Gilmore.
what a terrible thing to say. can you just stop saying side comments about the issue and let it end. C'mon, Robert has already recalled the amps.
post #34 of 134
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Originally Posted by ronmtorres View Post
what a terrible thing to say. can you just stop saying side comments about the issue and let it end. C'mon, Robert has already recalled the amps.
I have to disagree here, it's absolutely not a terrible thing to say, it would have been the right thing to say. He copied the amp, which was confirmed by an "electronic legend" (because let's face it, that's exactly what Kevin Gilmore is, he has been doing this longer than probably most of you are old...). And not to speak of Jan Meiers reputation. Ask anyone who ever dealt with him, he's one of the nicest and most competent guys around, and he has done so much for this forum.

And it's just the minimal response to recall the amps, it's no "classy act" by all means. I'm really am surprised by some peoples response in this whole matter, seems like simply ethics are not important anymore these days....

over and out...
post #35 of 134
Whatever has been said or not said by Robert and Jan in this thread and the other famous one, I think it basically boils down to two things:

1. Purchasers of the previous HEADPHONIA amp can return their amp to Robert for a full refund of the purchase price so they can opt to spend the money on another amp from Meier-Audio if that's what they feel they want (see Robert's posts in that thread for complete details)

2. The same purchasers can swap their amp for the new HEADPHONIA design, and if there are enough takers on this offer (as well as on the aforementioned offer), the original amps brought into question will be pretty much taken out of the picture

Outside of traditional legal channels, this seems like a pretty darn straightforward fashion of addressing the issue. Certainly, worlds better than using innocent customers' information in an attempt to get remedy, as was the original proposal in the other thread.

Many issues (too many of them, in my opinion) surfaced in the other thread, but one of them brought up by Tyll Hertsens was that (paraphrasing here...) the innovators need to be rewarded in order to spawn further innovations, etc. In this way, Robert, as a relative newcomer to the headphone amp trade, is marketing a revised line of portable amps. As long as these new amps actually offer something original and innovative (and at the same time, nothing of questionable design origin), I perceive this as a step in the right direction. Hopefully we'll see Meier-Audio developing and releasing some new portable amps as well, so that current and potential customers have some increased motivation to reward their favorite headphone amp designer (not limited to HEADPHONIA and Meier-Audio, of course) with the purchase of a new, innovative, and high quality amp.
post #36 of 134
Two words:



-HEADPHONIA CONHEAD-




Says it all perfectly
post #37 of 134
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Originally Posted by Hi-Finthen View Post
Two words:



-HEADPHONIA CONHEAD-




Says it all perfectly
The name "Conhead" was definitely not a good choice for the new amp, to say the least.

However, I think the official name of the new amp is still somewhat up in the air. The "Conhead" name, if I'm not mistaken, is something that had been proposed in the HEADPHONIA forums some time ago. Hopefully other model names will still be considered as final production units get ready to ship.
post #38 of 134
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Originally Posted by Jaska View Post
The name "Conhead" was definitely not a good choice for the new amp, to say the least.

Agreed-


-Headphonia Conhead-



Not a good choice for a new amp, but what's in a name...
post #39 of 134
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Originally Posted by MdRex View Post
GAWD! Give it a rest, Hi-Finthen, PLEASE. This is a product recall announcement, not somewhere for you to go on and on about your own negative opinions.

FWIW, I think this is a class-act by Headphonia.
What he/she said.

Q
post #40 of 134
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Originally Posted by ronmtorres View Post
what a terrible thing to say. can you just stop saying side comments about the issue and let it end. C'mon, Robert has already recalled the amps.
Terrible? What's terrible about it? That it's honest? It's great that Robert is recalling the amps, but to me it's just damage control. Morally and ethically speaking, the right thing to do would've been to come clean.
post #41 of 134
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Originally Posted by Robert Gehrke View Post
On April 7th I wrote Jan a very friendly email to solve the matter priviately. I offered him two options: Paying him a one time fee for using the obviously same crossfeed topology which he applied for a patent or withdraw all sold amps -- however only in case he could give me plausible explanation why the topology is not the Ohman crossfeed puplicized in 1994. He did not answer to this email and choose to escalate it in puplic.
Folks, Robert is conceding or offering nothing new. See the section in red (color and highlight added). This is a qualifier along the lines of I'll do A if Jan will do B. That is, the fee or withdrawal offer is contingent on Robert's acceptance of Jan's explanation. In other words, Robert is simply returning to step one of the argument in the old thread: Prove that you have a patent for the design that I used and I will . . . . There is no progress here. Robert is, once more, sidestepping the issue of ethics vs. law. Jan may not be able to defend his design in a court of law, but experts in Head-Fi concur that Robert has copied Jan's design. Ethically, Robert has crossed the line. And he continues to do so by deliberately confounding the issue with this non-offer. I was willing to give Robert the benefit of the doubt until this moment, but I no longer feel hat he deserves it. BTW, Robert's offer to take take back the amp in question for a full refund or as partial payment for another amp is not a new offer -- it was presented early in the old thread.
post #42 of 134
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
Robert's offer to take take back the amp in question for a full refund or as partial payment for another amp is not a new offer -- it was presented early in the old thread.
Correct, so it seems that he's following through and starting his own thread to announce the recall to his customers. As far as I understand this thread, that's pretty much its sole purpose.
post #43 of 134
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Originally Posted by Jaska View Post
Correct, so it seems that he's following through and starting his own thread to announce the recall to his customers. As far as I understand this thread, that's pretty much its sole purpose.
Yes, that's part of it, but a very small part. The bigger part that we ought to be concerned with is the onus that he assigns to Jan. Robert is reverting to argumentum ad hominem, i.e., attacking Jan's character by implying that Jan is unresponsive and unwilling to provide proof. Based on the ample records in the old thread, this claim is simply untrue.
post #44 of 134
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
Folks, Robert is conceding or offering nothing new. See the section in red (color and highlight added). This is a qualifier along the lines of I'll do A if Jan will do B. That is, the fee or withdrawal offer is contingent on Robert's acceptance of Jan's explanation.
I believe that you are misreading or misrepresenting Robert's post. You omitted the following:

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Originally Posted by Robert Gehrke View Post
Hello Headfiers!

In regards to Jan Meiers design claims I like to announce the withdraw of all first versions HEADPHONIA amps.
The emphasis is mine. This appears to be an announcement of the unconditional withdrawal of the Headphonia amps. The subsequent paragraph relates to an offer that he previously made in a contact with Dr. Meier; it does not appear to be a condition to the current announcement.
post #45 of 134
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
Yes, that's part of it, but a very small part. The bigger part that we ought to be concerned with is the onus that he assigns to Jan. Robert is reverting to argumentum ad hominem, i.e., attacking Jan's character by implying that Jan is unresponsive and unwilling to provide proof. Based on the ample records in the old thread, this claim is simply untrue.
*Sigh*

This issue is over and most (if not all) of us are ready to move on. What personal satisfaction do you get out of perpetuating this issue? Robert made amends. It is done.

Edited for "niceness."
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