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post #16 of 137
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I can't agree on that. W5000 isolate even worse than my DT880 and definitely much worse than A900.
Well then... if the D5000 isolates at least as good as the A900, then that is also fine.
post #17 of 137
I haven't heard the A900's, but the w5000s offer pretty crappy isolation, which makes the D2000s a little less crappy in that regard. Still, both were adequate for my needs- not bothering my wife.

If Skylab's impressions are any indication, the D2000 is kind of a no brainer. You can have a very good closed headphone for $300, with the option to improve it with either a re-cabling, or a full Darth. I would imagine a re-cabling the 2000s would run in the $150 range, while Darthing would start at about $250. For people who like woodies, Larry's options are far superior to any stock option I've seen.
post #18 of 137
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If the W5000s isolate as good or better than the A900, and the D2000/D5000 isolate even better than the W5000, then they will be perfect.



I'm not skylab, but I do have to say I have seen larrys work before, and I don't care for it to much. His Grado/Alessandro woodys looks really nice, but I don't like the others. From the pictures, the Denons are no exception.

I would say if you are going to be using a tube amp (and tube dac at that), I think the D5000 would be best because of it's brighter treble. Plus it's really sexy. Note I have not heard any Denons yet but I hope to have my D5000s next week.
I will be using a SS Heed Canamp with the 5000s not a tube amp.
post #19 of 137
But what will I be using? An MPX3 SLAM and a Sonicraft modded DAC-60. A tube amp AND a tube DAC. Neither are hybrid, just 100% tube
post #20 of 137
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You can have a very good closed headphone for $300, with the option to improve it with either a re-cabling, or a full Darth. I would imagine a re-cabling the 2000s would run in the $150 range
Would a pure silver Silver Dragon work better than composite (silver/copper) BlackMax? It works wonder for HD650.
http://www.moon-audio.com/HeadphoneCable.htm
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The detail and speed of this cable is truly amazing in the midrange and high frequencies. It will shock you how much of a difference it will make over the stock cable. And will remove the veil all Sennheiser headphones seem to have.
At least from description sounds like exactly what D2000 need.

http://www.moon-audio.com/ModHeadphones.htm
Seems like cheaper too.
post #21 of 137
Nicely done review Skylab, I thank you...

Some might say suprising, and many relieved at the bargain to be had with the AH-D-2000s strictly in terms of their nearly identical sonic similarities.

One question I would have, is to the effects higher volumes would have on their presentations. Specifly, if the bass remains as tight and as articulate at higher volumes than is your usual preferance of 87dbs ?

Also, could you speak to the advantages if any, that were noted with them being driven by the Corda Opera.

TIA
post #22 of 137
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
Would a pure silver Silver Dragon work better than composite (silver/copper) BlackMax? It works wonder for HD650.
http://www.moon-audio.com/HeadphoneCable.htm

At least from description sounds like exactly what D2000 need.

http://www.moon-audio.com/ModHeadphones.htm
Seems like cheaper too.

I'd think silver would be the way to go. Whatever Brad at RAL does sure spruces up the 650 too.
post #23 of 137
very nice write-up. sounds like d2000 can be a good bargain for colsed phones.

but one question, i dont understand how and why woodied phones change the sound the so much? is it because the properties of wood?
post #24 of 137
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 003 View Post
How do each of them isolate?
None of them isolate all that well from outside sound, but they do fine if your concern is not bothering someone next to you.

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
No difference in details extraction from recabled Darth?
Yes, the details were better than the stock D2000. About the same as the D5000 (although a little less in your face sonicially)

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Skylab, thank you from all of us potential Denon buyers. Do
you feel that the qualitative differences between the 2000 and 5000 justify the fairly large price difference?
In terms of pure sonics, no. I don't. But I care about how my headphones look, and frankly I think the D2000's are ugly. So for me the D5000 still was the better choice there.

And while 003 may not care for Larry at Headphile's woodworking, but I think it's awesome. I wonder if 003 has ever seen any in person. Pictures don't do it justice.


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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
Personally I like cleaner look of smaller stock cups on D5000 better than Darth. Plus cable tension relieves look overkill comparing to stock.
IMO D2000 plastic cups much more practical, no worries about dings, scratches, direct sun and termites . I guess just recabling would be more than sufficient to bring them to D5000 level, may be further with the right cable.
Surprising that cups of such different shape did so little to the sound
The Darth Denons were, again, the most different sounding of the three, but still, they do sound less different from the D2000 than the Darth Beyers do from stock DT770's.

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Originally Posted by manhattanproj View Post
very nice write-up. sounds like d2000 can be a good bargain for colsed phones.

but one question, i dont understand how and why woodied phones change the sound the so much? is it because the properties or wood?
Actually, at least in this case, I said quite the opposite. With the Darth Denon, I think the changes to the enclosure size and shape do make a difference, and to an extent the change to wood. But the D5000's wood makes very little difference, it seems, over the D2000.

And yes, the D2000 does appear to be quite the bargain.
post #25 of 137
To me it seems larry's job on the cups achieved its intended purpose by mellowing the bass. If that is the case that probably makes it the most even sounding closed headphone on the market nowadays.

I don't like what I am hearing about the weight though. I feel like the 5000 are straddling the line of comfort and secure stationing on the head. The top of my head is super sensitive and as it stands the 5000 cause discomfort after lengthy periods of time.

Overall though it seems like another fine product from headphile. If custom is your deal, you have been searching for a universal closed headphone, and aren't using overpriced boutique tubes like 003 and me, I couldn't imagine why you wouldn't want this product.
post #26 of 137
the d2000 looks like a headphone to add to my list of potential buys. very nice impressions skylab. the pics look wonderful as well.
post #27 of 137
I've been trying out the Sennheiser HD650, Beyerdynamic DT880 and AKG K701s for the past couple of weeks and the sound quality is fine on all of them, but none of them are very comfortable. Comfort comes first, sound quality comes second. Based of what I've read so far, the Denon AH-D2000 seems like a winner in both categories, so I've ordered a pair. Thanks for the comparison, Skylab!
post #28 of 137
Thread Starter 
Thanks.

Someone also asked whether the differences were more pronounced with the Opera. They were not. The Opera is a better sounding amp than the HX-3, which is why I did some listening with it as well, and all of these Denon's can "scale", in that they all showed how good the Opera sounds. But through the Opera, my feelings about the headphones remained unchanged. I did a little more listening this afternoon after writing this, using the Opera, and a Blue Circle SBH (about which, more later). My opinion remains totally unchanged, even using these two >$1K amps. Darth Denon is the smoothest and most extended, and the most fun to listen to, The D5000 has more extended and detailed highs than the D2000, which sounds a little darker by comparison, but all three are fairly similar in sound quality, and all three are very good.
post #29 of 137
Thread Starter 
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I've been trying out the Sennheiser HD650, Beyerdynamic DT880 and AKG K701s for the past couple of weeks and the sound quality is fine on all of them, but none of them are very comfortable. Comfort comes first, sound quality comes second. Based of what I've read so far, the Denon AH-D2000 seems like a winner in both categories, so I've ordered a pair. Thanks for the comparison, Skylab!
You're most welcome. I have to say I didn't find any of the headphones you list to be very uncomfortable, and the DT880's are very comfortable IMO. But the Denons are even more comfortable.
post #30 of 137
Very interesting write up Skylab and thank you very much for your speedy comparison.

As usual, it's the last few percentage of excellence that ends up costing the most. The Darth Denons look fantastic and I for one am sorely tempted. Big bassy, smooth sounding cans... hmm ;-)

Does the comparison you made against the Darth Beyers vs the D5000 pretty much still hold for the Darth Denons?
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