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post #16 of 40
4/26/07 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek View Post
I knew it. Yes, it is a bad thing. Reading that is kind of a let down, they had a chance to make them good and flumbled it... I was really hoping for something like a combination of excellent bass and clear upper mids... something like a mixture of the E500 and ER4. Why can't someone make an IEM like this? That would be so awesome.
Check out the Triple.Fi, I think that's really more what you're looking for.
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post #17 of 40
4/26/07 at 12:55pm
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I wonder: you said warm, but how warm is that? Closer to the E4 or SF5P, or beyond?

I'd say it's warmer than the SF5P. Like I said though, my initial reaction was that I thought I wasn't going to like them, but when I pursued beyond my initial reaction I came to really enjoy them.
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post #18 of 40
4/26/07 at 1:00pm
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Check out the Triple.Fi, I think that's really more what you're looking for.
I have been told that the Triple.fi also has dark upper mids. The FR graph would certainly corroborate these statements. The ER4 measures +10dB at around 3kHz, the Triple.fi measures more than -10dB in the same area. There is no way I would find their sound pleasing. And besides, the huge body of the IEM would be impossible for me to wear, regardless of how awesome the FR was.
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post #19 of 40
4/26/07 at 1:08pm
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Simma-don-nah!!!

Easy fellas, he only had them for a few hours, plus it sounds like he MIGHT have been a little hungover from the partying the night before. I wouldn't form too many opinions based on this write-up other than the fact that they don't completely suck.

P.S. if the OP was not hungover, I apologize in advance
LOL, I was not hungover at all. I had a nice little buzz early in the night, and kept it for a little while and then let it die off. When I did my morning listening I was a bit tired, but felt great otherwise.

You are right about me only having them for a few hours though. I wasn't able to do head to head comparisons.

From what I could tell in that couple of hours though is that the detail is very good. Does it surpass the E4, hmmm, I think so, but I won't say definitively yes or no.

It's been a while since I've heard a UM2, but the 2 and 3 seem to share a similar house sound. The new 3 from what I can tell has more detail. I wish I could say more, but I only had a couple of hours and didn't have a UM2 with me.
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post #20 of 40
4/26/07 at 1:13pm
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I have been told that the Triple.fi also has dark upper mids. The FR graph would certainly corroborate these statements. The ER4 measures +10dB at around 3kHz, the Triple.fi measures more than -10dB in the same area. There is no way I would find their sound pleasing. And besides, the huge body of the IEM would be impossible for me to wear, regardless of how awesome the FR was.
Piccolo,

Maybe the answer is for you to just EQ in a bit more bass to the ER4...
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post #21 of 40
4/26/07 at 1:16pm
Actually, that's exactly what I've been doing. I use Rockbox's parametric EQ to add +4 below 220hz and also bump the mids just a little so it sounds a lot like my HD650s. But I wish I didn't have to, because it makes the music skip unless I'm in the menu (it's that damn peak meter) and it really runs the battery down something fierce. It'd be nice if there was a universal IEM that sounded like that to begin with.
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post #22 of 40
4/26/07 at 1:17pm
Jasper,

One thing I've found owning the TFps is that they really respond to be amped and seem to change character according to the amp, much more so than my E500s.

Anyway, regarding the Westones: I hope they get released around the same time here in the UK. I'd really like a listen
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post #23 of 40
4/26/07 at 2:07pm
Sounds disappointing. I was hoping for the smooth westone mids coupled with a healthy dose of treble the other models lack. If the same dip in upper mids/lower treble occurs in the 3s as well, what's the point?
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post #24 of 40
4/26/07 at 3:23pm
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Why can't someone make an IEM like this? That would be so awesome.
Done. That's a UE-10 Pro!
Why can't someone make a universal IEM that sounds like that. It would be so simple.
The ACS T2 combine the best of the ER4 and the E500 too. I guess if they did have a universal that sounded like customs, far fewer people would purchase custom IEMs.

Thanks for the impressions Jasper. I, too, am not too impressed by the recessed mids. Look forward to hearing more from others who've tried the 3s and compared to the E500/T.fi10Pro.
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post #25 of 40
4/27/07 at 10:08am
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The ACS T2 combine the best of the ER4 and the E500 too. I guess if they did have a universal that sounded like customs, far fewer people would purchase custom IEMs.

Thanks for the impressions Jasper. I, too, am not too impressed by the recessed mids. Look forward to hearing more from others who've tried the 3s and compared to the E500/T.fi10Pro.
You know, that was my initial reaction too, but after a couple hours I found that I really enjoyed them....
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post #26 of 40
4/27/07 at 12:42pm
Seems like the Westone house sound is still very much there. Don't flame me for this, but I almost believed the 'true' 3-way drivers meant a departure to something more balanced than the UM2.
Think I'll be joining Piccolo in the wait.
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post #27 of 40
4/28/07 at 1:26pm
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Actually, that's exactly what I've been doing. I use Rockbox's parametric EQ to add +4 below 220hz and also bump the mids just a little so it sounds a lot like my HD650s. But I wish I didn't have to, because it makes the music skip unless I'm in the menu (it's that damn peak meter) and it really runs the battery down something fierce. It'd be nice if there was a universal IEM that sounded like that to begin with.

I find it somewhat surprising that you love HD-650's and the ER4's, as they have different sound signature. The HD-650's have a natural, warm, & fuller sound with soften highs while the ER-4's are more neutral, detail, & maybe a little analytical with spikes in the high frequencies.

I would think that a "HD-650" person would opt for something like the Super.fi 5 Pro's or Westones UM2 as IEM's as those present a natural & warm sound with superb bass response while an "ER-4" person would go for the DT-880's or maybe the K-701's which have more neutral sounding (maybe a little bit analytical due to excellent details and "neutral-ness") with emphasis on highs.
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post #28 of 40
4/28/07 at 1:36pm
The ER4 would have more natural and tighter bass than the UM2/5 Pro but less warmth. Piccolo's right, the EQ'd ER4 should be closer. The Ety has the detail and extension while the other two only have quantity.
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post #29 of 40
4/28/07 at 1:42pm
At the meet, I listened to the Westone 3's, UM2s, Superfi.5Pros, Triplefi.s -- I told myself I'd buy the best sounding pair.

I listened to each one about 10 minutes, with various adjustments on my source.

Personally, I like the Superfi.5Pros the best. Go figure.

But I got 'em, and am loving them...

Maybe if I listened to each model 2 hours, I'd like the Westone's better! Thats the challenging part about picking an IEM. Heh. Have to listen to each one a week. Or a year. Then decide. right.
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post #30 of 40
4/28/07 at 1:58pm
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I find it somewhat surprising that you love HD-650's and the ER4's, as they have different sound signature. The HD-650's have a natural, warm, & fuller sound with soften highs while the ER-4's are more neutral, detail, & maybe a little analytical with spikes in the high frequencies.
I have found that when the bass and lower mids are boosted, the ER4 can sound remarkably like an HD650, even with no EQ'ing of the upper frequencies at all. The HD650 still sounds better though because of its well-extended upper frequencies.

Furthermore, the ER4 does not have any "spikes" in the upper frequencies, Grados do. The 4S actually has a dip in the treble to emulate a room's natural treble absorption.

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I would think that a "HD-650" person would opt for something like the Super.fi 5 Pro's or Westones UM2 as IEM's as those present a natural & warm sound with superb bass response while an "ER-4" person would go for the DT-880's or maybe the K-701's which have more neutral sounding (maybe a little bit analytical due to excellent details and "neutral-ness") with emphasis on highs.
The super.fi 5 pro is significantly darker than the HD650 (which I don't really think is dark to begin with) and has much, much more bass, and far poorer treble extension. (As does the ER4.)
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