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post #31 of 236
so the moth was better then the F1 ? we need more comparison posts with other top setups. most of the posts in the offical impression thread talk about how the R10 and orpheus beat the crap out of every other can
post #32 of 236
Is the Zanden at the meet the Model 9000 or the Model 7000? Because there is a huge price difference lol.
post #33 of 236
From all the people I spoke with regarding the K1000 room, the vast majority agreed that the Zanden was by far the best amp in the room!

It was simply stunning!
post #34 of 236
Just wonder if any of you have tried a "cheap" / budget amps, like TA 10.1 or BigJo, with K1 as well. Any impressions?
I know when you have such BIG, FAT BOYS in the room you will not be looking for such comparison, but still interesting...

Thanks.
post #35 of 236
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From all the people I spoke with regarding the K1000 room, the vast majority agreed that the Zanden was by far the best amp in the room!

It was simply stunning!
I just walked in the door. I just wished that we had the Woo 5 in the K1000 room. I would like to know how it would have compared. An Airtight would have been nice as well.
post #36 of 236
I'm sure the Zanden sounds great at 15K, but I am also sure that the Audio Aero Capitole had a lot to do with that...
post #37 of 236
Anyone have the chance to compare the Silver Dragon V2 and Equinox pigtails on the same rig???
post #38 of 236
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I'm sure the Zanden sounds great at 15K, but I am also sure that the Audio Aero Capitole had a lot to do with that...
I agree that it definitely had the advantage compared to the F1 which was using the Transporter. However, it seemed to another level from the Moth being fed from the same source, which some said they preferred to the F1 when the F1 was using the transporter and the Moth was using the SB3/HR Microdac. I have to add, as nice as it was to have the K1000 room where, jp11801 and I spent most of our time, it was still a meet with the usual distractions. It's real hard to make anything but general statements about gear, which leads me to the tail comparison...

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Anyone have the chance to compare the Silver Dragon V2 and Equinox pigtails on the same rig???
I preferred the Eguinox pigtail but I can't tell you it was as result of real critical listening, which really wasn't possible. It was very busy and we were working the room so didn't listen as much as I would have liked. Both cables are of excellent build quality. I think the Equinox did a better job of controlling the highs. It was a general sense of this just sounds more like what I am looking for. I also have an Equiox on my 600 so it may be some bias involved. I got a chance to speak to and hang out a bit with James Serdechny of Stefan Audio Arts. He is a great guy and truly passionate about what he does. That's not to say Drew isn't as well (I'm sure he is), I just didin't have a chance to speak to him. I'm sorry to say that those out there looking for the right tail (you know what I mean) really owe to your selves to find a way to do your own comparison in the quiet of your listening areas. I also got a chance to listen to the next generation of the Equinox for the 580/600/650. It was very nice and hopefully will find it's way to my house when released.
post #39 of 236
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I preferred the Eguinox pigtail but I can't tell you it was as result of real critical listening, which really wasn't possible. It was very busy and we were working the room so didn't listen as much as I would have liked. Both cables are of excellent build quality. I think the Equinox did a better job of controlling the highs. It was a general sense of this just sounds more like what I am looking for.
Thanks Tyrion... When you say "controlling the highs", does that mean mellowing the highs?

I'm using the Signature 30 in combination wih a Wadia CDP. For me the highs are already balanced. So my main concerns are air, size of soundstage, resolution, bass impact / depth / weight, etc.

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really owe to your selves to find a way to do your own comparison in the quiet of your listening areas. I also got a chance to listen to the next generation of the Equinox for the 580/600/650. It was very nice and hopefully will find it's way to my house when released.
I want to go hardwire, so the comparison is virtually impossible. Moon does hardwires for K1000, not sure where to go for Equinox hardwire???

Thanks for your comments. I really wish I could have been there to experience this first hand. Would also love to have heard the Moth.
post #40 of 236
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Thanks Tyrion... When you say "controlling the highs", does that mean mellowing the highs?

I'm using the Signature 30 in combination wih a Wadia CDP. For me the highs are already balanced. So my main concerns are air, size of soundstage, resolution, bass impact / depth / weight, etc.


I want to go hardwire, so the comparison is virtually impossible. Moon does hardwires for K1000, not sure where to go for Equinox hardwire???

Thanks for your comments. I really wish I could have been there to experience this first hand. Would also love to have heard the Moth.
The Equinox opened them up a bit but you have to consider the conditions we were listening in. I'm not sure anyone could make any concrete distinctions between cables. Sources and even amps are one thing but cable comparisons need more quiet. And yes controlling the highs meant they were tamed or mellowed.

All we had were tails with the exception of Voltron's hardwired Equinox version which were my favorite of the bunch. I believe that James wants do offer hardwiring as an option and is working to accomplish that. I believe, for now, the tail is only available (with speaker ends or 1/4 terminations). You should check with him to be certain.
post #41 of 236
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Anyone have the chance to compare the Silver Dragon V2 and Equinox pigtails on the same rig???
While I know this is somewhat dissapointing but we got off to a late start after significant music server issue and did not do detailed cable tail comparisons. The folks at slim devices, Morsel and Episiarch, worked their tails off to try and revive th server. We wound up using Tyrion's laptop with the F1 being fed by the transporter and the Dassun intergrated fed by the squeezebox/headroom microdac, the Moth was originally fed by the squeezebox/microdac but after the Zanden/audioaero entered the rrom we wnted to face them off.
All the tails were a step up from the akg cable. I did not do a detailed comparison but I would have to tip it to the SAA Equinox. The Moon cables were great and the PURE silver spades were beautifull. IMHO you could not go wrong with either cable.
The suprise performer at the k1000 room was the intergrated amp brought by Ping from AAA Audio. This amp sounded great with the k1000 and at $1300 for a serious speaker intergated amp that also kicks butt with the k1000s it a no brainer to put it on your list of amps to consider. Ping is one of the good guys and spent a considerable amount of time in the k1000 room it is clear he is an enthusiast as well as a great vendor.

What can I say about SAA and Moon, huge thanks to both vendors for amking this happen and trusting us with bags and bags of cables. It really comes down to preferance the black and silver dragons were cables I would look hard at but there is something about the SAA cable that I like.
Slim devices gave us incredible support for the room and not only did they hook us up with the transporter (this is a serious piece of gear!!!!) and the squeexeboxes they also assisted both days with the room. They clearly kove what they do and were a HUGE help with the room, I can not thank them enough.
Tyl provided dacs for us and all the cables to get them rockin, the micro dacs sounded killer with the squeezebox and may soon be part of my desktop.

Some impressions were
Zanden--- This amp was king of the hill, it has crazy detail I hear sound in Miles Davis Kind of blue that I had not heard before. THe danger with an amp that is hyper detailed is they can also be fatiguing. This amp was also soooooooo smooth. If you can find one on the used market and have the cash jump all over it. FooMe had just received the amp the day prior and did us a solid by bringing this beauty to the meet. If you ever sell this amp please put on your list of people to contat prior to posting it.
Moth 300B--- great amp and was tied for top honors with the F1 until the arrival of the Zanden. The F1 and Moth were very different beasts. The Moth had that great 300b sound with nice detail. It is a classic and with the Western Electric 300b tubes was a great amp for the k1000 and is a real looker.
First Watt F1--- (big thanks to Humanflyz for the loaner) I have one of these and I love the huge fast sound. Some that heard it found it just on the brittle side but I heard gobs of detailed fast sounds with great extension on both ends. While it does benefit from a tube pre amp I found its sound straight from the transporter to be a winner.
More to come later I am on 3 hours of sleep after a tough red flight back to Ft Lauderdale. sorry if I babbled

Also thanks to Tyrion for working the room with me
post #42 of 236
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I can't believe I forgot to mention the Dussun integrated. A very nice amp with the K1000. I only wish we could have tried it with speakers. Even better was getting a chance to hang with Ping. He is a very cool guy. I truly enjoyed the time I had to speak to him.

The Slim people, Tyll, Moon Audio, Stefan Audio Arts and all who participated were all rock stars. Without them, the K1000 room would have consisted of jp and I sitting around drinking beer.

Humanflyz (spelled wrong, I am pretty sure) should be included in the group for letting us use his F1.
post #43 of 236
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Without them, the K1000 room would have consisted of jp and I sitting around drinking beer.
Doesn't sound too bad.
post #44 of 236
thanks tyrion and others for putting up with my demands to get the F1 and aleph amps side by side so i could A/B them...while this sounds trivial, the paucity of cables made it a much more difficult endeavor, but it got done...

this was the worst room at the meet...for my wallet. it was hard to get any real serious comparisons done but just having the opportunity to listen to different k1000 setups was very cool indeed. more pics to come soon!
post #45 of 236
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thanks tyrion and others for putting up with my demands to get the F1 and aleph amps side by side so i could A/B them...while this sounds trivial, the paucity of cables made it a much more difficult endeavor, but it got done...

this was the worst room at the meet...for my wallet. it was hard to get any real serious comparisons done but just having the opportunity to listen to different k1000 setups was very cool indeed. more pics to come soon!
So what did you think (Aleph vs F1)?

How about the Moth?
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