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post #121 of 145
An audio signal is an audio signal. Meaning any component that accepts a digital input via toslink, rca or bnc doesn't care what the source is. (Obviously this applies to analog signals as well.) No problems with your Mac, man!
post #122 of 145
Thread Starter 
now that i have the dac1 set up right it sounds very good. the cs is just a much different sound. i tried the lavry black also. that is sort of between the cs and benchmark. i put a benchmark in a speaker system with darker speakers and it worked out pretty good. as a headphone amp i(personally) like the cs much better than the benchmark or lavry so far.

the reason the cs sounds like a tube amp and so good is a fluke really. it is the amount of distortion that makes it so pleasent. that warm dark sound is made by distortion and noise. it is funny that the cs specs out so good because tube amps thd,noise etc. do not look good on paper. it sounds real good though.

now that it was mentioned i am thinking of a zap filter too. sorry to take your idea. it will have to go outside the cs in a project box. there is no room inside. i will use a cable(ribbon?) between the cs and project box which of course will also have an influence on the sound. i might not get to that for a bit though i am busy right now.

i know i asked this already but it went unanswered. has anyone heard the channel islands dac with their headamp(series 2) that has also heard the cs? last time i heard those(series 1) i was not so impressed. similar to the creek stuff which is their competition at that price point i guess. i'd rather not waste my money if they are not better than the cs.

what kind of money do you guys think one would have to spend on a separate dac and headphone amp to squarely outclass the cs. i'd like to hear peoples opinions on that.

music_man
post #123 of 145
although I must say my unmodded zhaolu D2.5 can not even compare to the CS. The CS is in a league of its own when compared to the zhaolu.

So are you saying that the PerSonus CS is a better DAC than the zhaolu??
post #124 of 145

Converting balanced headphone cable to single ended

Is there a way to convert a double balanced cable after installation to a single ended with an adapter to allow one to go back and forth? Or perhaps there is a detachable type of cable? This is only acceptable if no sound degradation with the adapter component. Are there any DIY cable makers out there listening?

I plan to get the PerSonus Central Station as my DAC which will allow balanced output with the built in amp but I would also like to use the AKG 701's with a tube amp which will bypass the internal ss amp in the CS and require an unbalanced cable. I suppose for the expense involved I could mod one AKG 701 and buy a second pair and leave it single ended with the stock cable.

What is the best double ended termination to use with the CS and how long a cable is best? Has anyone used "The Equinox" mod with the AKG 701 XLR for balanced connectors? Seems expensive............. Any thoughts?
post #125 of 145
Yes you can get a single ended adapter for XLRs. No need for another pair of phones.
post #126 of 145
Thread Starter 
knockturne,
have you heard the channel islands vda-2, vhp-2 and the central station?

do the vda-2 and vhp-2(with vac-1s's) sound better than the cs as a dac and headamp(with k701's)?

thanks,
music_man
post #127 of 145
Haven't heard either. From what I've read though, the Channel Islands DAC is on par with the Benchmark and Lavry. I think that the VDA-2 and VHP-2 both with VAC-1s would be really expensive for what you're getting (I haven't heard either of these though). It'd be something like $1200+, no?
post #128 of 145
Thread Starter 
yeah. i think i could do better with $1,200. maybe. you know this stuff is all subjective. from what i understand the vda-2 is not nearly in the class of the benchmark or lavry. i mean some people may like it better. thats personal.

technically the benchmark and lavry are superior to the cs and channel islands stuff. how anything sounds is a different matter of course.

i was not impressed at all when i heard a vhp-1 once. the vac-1 is just a large ei for $159. you can get more or less something similar at radioshack in a plastic giant wall wart for $25. i'm not bashing it because i have not heard the whole channel islands rig. the vhp-2 is $349. the cs amp, depending on who you ask hangs around with $800+ tube amps. i wish someone that has heard both shows up here. i am really afraid to spend that and get dissapointed.

the lavry plus a $500 amp would probably blow away the channel islands stuff. i'm just guessing though. the impressive point is that the lavry plus a $500 amp is only maybe 10% nicer sounding than the cs. so that channel islands stuff would really have to step up to the plate here.

the real reason i want it is because it looks a lot nicer than the cs. that is a pretty stupid reason though if i must say so myself

music_man
post #129 of 145
I'm pretty sure Channel Islands has a 30 day trial period or something, so there's no need to be afraid of losing money. I'd be interested in your opinion of the VDA-2.

From the impressions I've read, the Lavry's built in amp is very good and probably better than a $500 amp anyway. I don't think the DA10 + $500 amp would blow away the VDA-2 with the same amp - there are several members on here with VDA-2s and one who sold his DA10 for a VDA-2.

The Presonus and Lavry both seem to be really great value - both have great DACs and amps. They're what I'd get if I wasn't planning on buying an amp over $1k or a tube amp.

Nothing wrong with wanting good looks. Sound is obviously the most important thing but looks matter too.
post #130 of 145
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from what i understand the vda-2 is not nearly in the class of the benchmark or lavry. i mean some people may like it better. thats personal.

technically the benchmark and lavry are superior to the cs and channel islands stuff. how anything sounds is a different matter of course.
Really? I'm going to have to search around a bit. I've been interested in the VDA-2 for quite a while now.

Oh, and don't worry about the zapfilter idea ;p
post #131 of 145
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yeah. i think i could do better with $1,200. maybe. you know this stuff is all subjective. from what i understand the vda-2 is not nearly in the class of the benchmark or lavry. i mean some people may like it better. thats personal.
That's funny this review would beg to differ
post #132 of 145
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The reason the cs sounds like a tube amp and so good is a fluke really. it is the amount of distortion that makes it so pleasent. that warm dark sound is made by distortion and noise.

it is funny that the cs specs out so good because tube amps thd,noise etc. do not look good on paper. it sounds real good though.
These are good things?
post #133 of 145
for many audiophiles, yes...look at most tube amps.
post #134 of 145
Actually, there was an informative thread here about how the tube distortion while being greater than SS distortion actually is not heard as much as the SS distortion.

Whatever I said ^ up there. But it made sense to me. How that relates to this discussion I don't know
post #135 of 145
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for many audiophiles, yes...look at most tube amps.
Alrighty then.
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