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post #121 of 213
It does seem that he had tripped the alarm bells for mental treatment though so it appears there is a mechanism in place to address the issues even if it didn't stop this event. Given the difficulty of determining what human behvior will be I would think it would be very difficult to ever prevent any incidents like this.

Unfortunately, I don't see how you could ever know that a particular person will react in this manner or that a particular incident will happen that will trigger the behavior. We just had one person here in Tampa who took hostages. He was in his early forties and up until the last 6 months had really never had any indications of this sort of behavior. He just suddenly disintegrated.

It will be interesting to see what further details come out.
post #122 of 213
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This guy was smart. He planned ahead and flawlessly executed his plan. That's what made him so deadly.
And to me what makes him so disturbing. It is not really a good thing for my peace of mind to know that out there right now there are others equally as sick and with so little disregard for others that they can plot something like this in cold blood.

A similar situation is them finally catching the murderers who perpetrated a massacre in a chicken place in Chicago back a few years. In that case, the criminals went in knowing they were going to slaughter everyone since otherwise they would be identified. Somehow they thought that the 1800.00 they would get from the till was more important than 7 people's lives.

The mindset that these people have, and knowing that others have it also, is the thing that is the most disturbing to me about these incidents. This was 32 innocents but there are others out there right now considering the idea who will take more lives than that.
post #123 of 213
They say that he exhibited erratic and violent behavior prior to the shooting, such as setting fire to a dorm room. I'm trying to figure out why he was still in school if that were the case.
post #124 of 213
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"There wasn't a shooting victim that didn't have less than three bullet wounds in them," said Dr. Joseph Cacioppo of Montgomery Regional Hospital.
Dudes he went to kill and he was not messing around..hitting three times each person was probably the secret to his high number.. one person taking out so many people with two small hand guns is amazing, not good amazing but this kid knew what he was doing..

anyone read why he stopped or what stopped his marathon?

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source familiar with the investigation said the weapons found at Norris were a Walther .22-caliber semi-automatic and a 9 mm Glock -- both with the serial numbers filed off
Filed off? Why? thought he bought them legal?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vte...ing/index.html
post #125 of 213
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Filed off? Why? thought he bought them legal?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vte...ing/index.html
I'm guessing he thought he might get away with it and if so didn't want the murder weapons to be traceable back to him.
post #126 of 213
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Interesting to note indeed, there is apparently a phenomena where, if the dosage of some antidepressants is too low, people are more likely to kill themselves. One of my friends lost his wife that way. He had told me that he researched the medicine she was taking on the web and found out about the issues which might happen if the dosage was too low.
I don't want, its the drug excuse.. Antidepressants get blamed way too much.. I don't want this guy to become a 'victim' by some..
post #127 of 213
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I'm guessing he thought he might get away with it and if so didn't want the murder weapons to be traceable back to him.
Maybe..I could only wander why he stopped and turned the gun on himself..I mean if nothing was there he could of really did some more damage.

the scary part of this is not that more and more people (kids,teens,etc) are doing this, its not even more and more are going for higher numbers (if they are), but what is scary to me is these people are getting Better at it..not so much the planning and actual carrying out but shooting each person three times is almost going to guarantee everyone in the gun's direction will die..less wounded.

Columbine could of been an all out massacre (or really close to it) if those kids would of shot each target three times..they had the ammo and the time to do it.
two small hand guns,little time, and 33 people dead..wow
post #128 of 213
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I don't want, its the drug excuse.. Antidepressants get blamed way too much.. I don't want this guy to become a 'victim' by some..
I didn't mean to suggest that he was a 'victim.' I've fought deep depressions in my life also but it certainly never made me feel like killing or injuring others.

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Maybe..I could only wander why he stopped and turned the gun on himself..I mean if nothing was there he could of really did some more damage.
I've considered it. Maybe he ran out of ammunition? They said that he had been stalking women, maybe he finally reached and killed one of his love objects who was the reason for his vendetta?
post #129 of 213
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Dudes he went to kill and he was not messing around..hitting three times each person was probably the secret to his high number.. one person taking out so many people with two small hand guns is amazing, not good amazing but this kid knew what he was doing..
It's really not surprising.

He had time, ammo, and targets. Just like a trip to the range for him. When people stopped moving, he'd go in there and execute the survivors. That's why the dead/injured ratio is so high.

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anyone read why he stopped or what stopped his marathon?
The police breeched one of the doors that he chained. He committed suicide shortly after.
post #130 of 213
I am unclear of the reasons not to call off classes at 7:30, and after a double murder had taken place with the suspect at large. Granted he was crazy and some woud say he would go into the open air and shoot too, but in his given strategy this go round, which emphasized closed quarters with locked or limited exits, having the campus on full alert and evacuated after the second shooting was reported may have saved some additional lives, and perhaps frazzled the plan. Just sad is all.

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post #131 of 213
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They said that he had been stalking women, maybe he finally reached and killed one of his love objects who was the reason for his vendetta?

thats what i was thinking, maybe (and this is just a huge megadollar maybe) he had a crush on the first girl and got turned down or something like that.
Doesnt look like he planned it all to much, more like a guy who had the hand guns and ammo for sport then killed two people and thought "WTF did i just do? oh well i am going to hell..no turning around now" and then went back to his place and grabbed the chains and more ammo then went on his spree..
(and this is just a huge megadollar maybe)(and this is just a huge megadollar maybe)

I think if he was planning it given the fact he hit each person three times he would of brought more in guns and killing devices to the table..two hand guns is not something I would do a spree with..

again this is all just thoughts..i think no one will ever know.
post #132 of 213
This is an excerpt from a campus-wide email just now sent by my university's president:

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The University recently purchased the technology to allow for emergency
notifications to the campus. The package, Connect-Ed, allows for
simultaneous cell phone, text messaging, and email communications to
faculty, staff, and students. We expect it to be operational by the end
of the school year, and fully functional by the start of the Fall
Quarter.
It's a shame something like this wasn't implemented, though I am glad to hear that it does, at the very least, exist, and would aid in future prevention. My heart goes out to the injured (both physically and psychologically) and deceased, as well as their families and friends.
post #133 of 213
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I think if he was planning it given the fact he hit each person three times he would of brought more in guns and killing devices to the table..two hand guns is not something I would do a spree with..
again this is all just thoughts..i think no one will ever know.
well it may have been easier to conceal the weapons he utilized in his clothes or bag..VS a huge assault riffle, or perhaps a bulky automatic weapon.. Who knows is right..
post #134 of 213
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UPDATE: It turns out that I was wrong. While Stack was shot in the leg, it must have hit a major artery because he died in the hospital. This is very shocking to all of the Marching Viriginians here and someone put up some pictures of him as a memorial. My prayers are certainly with his family and close friends. The guy was a genius, a triple major, actually, I forget what they were, like Music, Biology, and Psychology I believe. I didn't know him as well as some, but regardless, we all knew him.

http://www.andrewmager.com/2007/04/1...k-and-friends/
I’m so glad to hear that you are okay. We meet back at the philly meet in Feb. My thoughts and prayers are with the families, student body, administrators and emergency responders over this senseless tragedy. Keep the faith John and get through this together.
post #135 of 213
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well it may have been easier to conceal the weapons he utilized in his clothes or bag..VS a huge assault riffle, or perhaps a bulky automatic weapon.. Who knows is right..
Handling a rifle in small spaces would also be harder and if you shoot someone three times, it doesn't really matter that much if it's a 9mm or a rifle round. Handgun ammunition is also lighter, so it's easier to carry more of it.

In any case, what he did was horrible. My prayers for everyone who was affected by this tragedy.
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