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post #106 of 213
4/17/07 at 12:39pm
It'll be interesting to know how long he's been in the country. Though he was technically South Korean, he was here as a legal immigrant (permanent resident) not here on a student visa. He's probably lived in the US since at least his mid-teens.

Edit: CNN is reporting that he already had his Green Card, so he was a permanent resident. He's lived in the US since 1992 (age eight).

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post #107 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:07pm
Incidents like this will continue to happen because there are people like the shooter living among us who care nothing for the life of others. I feel so bad for the parents, friends and colleagues. Who can imagine burying you child?

What bothers me about the tragedy is the time line. Theoretically a student could have woken up after the first double murder and gone to class in the same building where the second killings took place without ever knowing about the first double murder.

If the officials knew ~ 7:30AM that there was a double murder on campus, what logical reasoning could there be for not warning the students. Surely the campus and local radio could have broadcast warnings every 5 minutes.
post #108 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:21pm
I agree with you on the timing issue, Nardin.
If the WTC evacuation taught us anything is that timing and trusting your instincts is everything. Your spidey senses tingle for a reason.
post #109 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:28pm
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what is weird is that he hung around campus for more than 2 hours after killing the girl in the dorm. normally killers will get out of town, and indeed this is what the university and police had expected. sad story, and i think the story will become even sadder as it unfolds.
I tend to doubt that he just hung around. I'm guessing that the earlier killings were somewhat unexpected or he was hoping they wouldn't happen and wasn't prepared for the second part of his plan. Once the first killiings took place, it was back to his place to get ready for the rest...
post #110 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:34pm
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Question is, why are gun crimes in the rest of the developed world so much lower?
Hmmm, as I remember off the top of my head, the world record for most people killed by a spree shooter like this was from Thailand and was around 48 killed...
post #111 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:35pm
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I tend to doubt that he just hung around. I'm guessing that the earlier killings were somewhat unexpected or he was hoping they wouldn't happen and wasn't prepared for the second part of his plan. Once the first killiings took place, it was back to his place to get ready for the rest...
Newsday is reporting he went back to his dorm and wrote a note that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus, then suited up with the ammo vest:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,4843160.story

Interesting that he was on anti-depressants, similar to the Columbine killers.
post #112 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:37pm
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You'd have to be hardcore immersed in the gun culture to pick up that kind of firepower and paraphernalia.
Not true, he had a Walther .22 caliber, I'm guessing a P22 which is typically used for cheap plinking and a 9mm. That isn't much of an aresenal...
post #113 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:39pm
This is extremeley tragic..sorry to all that are affected by this tragedy.

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post #114 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:45pm
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Not true, he had a Walther .22 caliber, I'm guessing a P22 which is typically used for cheap plinking and a 9mm. That isn't much of an aresenal...
He had both a Glock 19 and a Walther P-22, along with an ammo vest and multiple spare clips. That's what I was referring to as an arsenal. Multiple spare clips for semiautomatic weapons cross the line for me between a self-defense arsenal and something a little more extreme. Standard magazine capacity for the Glock 19 is 15 rounds, and for the P-22 is 10 rounds. CNN is reporting that most of the victims had at least three bullet wounds, which means he fired at least (33+29)*3 = 186 shots -- and that's just the number of shots that hit people. By any reasonable definition that's quite an arsenal.
post #115 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:46pm
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Interesting that he was on anti-depressants, similar to the Columbine killers.
Interesting to note indeed, there is apparently a phenomena where, if the dosage of some antidepressants is too low, people are more likely to kill themselves. One of my friends lost his wife that way. He had told me that he researched the medicine she was taking on the web and found out about the issues which might happen if the dosage was too low.
post #116 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:48pm
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By any reasonable definition that's an arsenal.
Sorry, that isn't even close to an arsenal...
post #117 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:54pm
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Sorry, that isn't even close to an arsenal...
Because everyone carries around at least 20 loaded spare magazines for their semiautomatic weapons?
post #118 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:55pm
It was enough to end the lives of 31 innocent people. Take your god damned debate somewhere else.
post #119 of 213
4/17/07 at 1:58pm
32 innocent people
post #120 of 213
4/17/07 at 2:12pm
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Because everyone carries around at least 20 loaded spare magazines for their semiautomatic weapons?
The guy planned ahead. He killed his ex-girlfriend and the RA, went back to his room, rearmed, went to the engineering building all the way across campus, chained the doors, then started shooting and executing people. He was smart enough to not hang around long enough for the students to organize and fight back when his gun went dry.

He's knows he's going to need lots of ammo to rack up a high body count. He knew he needed lots of ammo to kill, so he brought as much loaded magazines as he could. That's not a "hardcore gun culture" thing. That's a "I want to slaughter as many innocents as possible before the police find me" thing.

From reports, he didn't even use the P22. Most likely, he kept it around as a backup weapon in case anyone charged him while he was reloading.

This guy was smart. He planned ahead and flawlessly executed his plan. That's what made him so deadly.

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It was enough to end the lives of 31 innocent people. Take your god damned debate somewhere else.
I understand the feeling, but for pro/anti-gun control types that believe in their cause, the best way of honoring the dead would be to prevent this tragedy from happening again.
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