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analog'd: What is your opinion of the Edition 9 vs. PROline, comfort-wise?
post #47 of 63
I have said that many times, who believe that listening the PROlines will give you a hint of how the Edition 9 sounds, could not be more wrong...

Hope you will enjoy them, give them some more time and get familiar wiht them, and you will love them...

My PROLines were sold looooong time ago....they are simply in different leagues, IMO...it is very curious how different cups give you different sound even while using the same drivers, eh?

BTW all Editions I have heard, about 7 in total, sounded the same, I have two from two different batches, and both sound identical after burn in...which is extremelly long...
post #48 of 63
Zoide, thanks for the detailed impressions as I've been considering the Edition 9's for a while now. If they weren't on backorder, I'd probably have pulled the trigger already.

I already own the 2500's and just picked up a pair of the 750's. I have to agree with the comments about "psycho-accoustic burn in". The 2500's took me almost a month to feel comfortable with, the 750's only a few hours. I assume it's because I've become accustomed to the Ultrasone house sound.

Luckily, I feel like I've gotten a "good pair" of 750's (I'm a believer in variations in manufacturing quality), very smooth already and only a few hours break in so far. Bass is very detailed compared to the 2500's, but a bit more emphasized, I guess because they're closed. Oddly I've found the soundstage to be better with these 750's. And yes the mids are a tiny bit recessed, but not as much as the 2500's. This all sounds like your description of the Edition 9's.

What I'm wondering is if the Edition 9's being closed, are similar to the 750's as I've described them, with only a bit more refinement? Are they worth 4 times the price. I guess I'm trying to justify an Edition 9 purchase. Sigh...
post #49 of 63
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I just listened to Conquistador II on both headphones, and I'd say the Edition 9 lacks no bass whatsoever in comparison to the 2500. On quick A/B'ing, however, there might be a bit more of a spacious feel with the 2500. The Edition 9 have a more forward sound, as others like Sovkiller have noted. It still has a kickass soundstage though, so it's kind of hard to explain. The difference is more noticeable on quick A/B'ing than on sustained listening.
Hey Zoide, congrats on the new arrivals! I'm really enjoying you impressions as they continue to unfold!

I'm curious about your methodology for A/B'ing. Are you listening to the 2500s directly after the Edition 9s?

I'm wondering because when I compare any of my Ultrasones immediately after another pair (even, say, the PROline 750 after the 2500), the second pair inevitably sounds uncharacteristically bizarre, probably due to the "brain burn-in" you were discussing earlier here.

So I've discovered that I need anywhere from 5 and 10 minutes of "buffer time" in between cans for the second one to sound more as it should, in order to facilitate a proper comparison. Is that your experience too?
post #50 of 63

Baseline Principle

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So I've discovered that I need anywhere from 5 and 10 minutes of "buffer time" in between cans for the second one to sound more as it should, in order to facilitate a proper comparison. Is that your experience too?
Saint.panda nailed it extremely well in his famous Closed Headphones Review.

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Baseline Principle
The baseline is the component to which the headphone in question is being compared to. This is important because the human hearing works by comparing the current sound to a previously heard sound, which has become the baseline of reference. If you play a totally flat noise (all frequencies equal in amplitude) to a human for some time, it will be perceived as flat. However, if you first play a simple tone at 200 Hz for the person and then play the same flat noise, the noise will be perceived as having a dip at 200 Hz. You will have to be exposed for the noise for some time, until the dip disappears and the noise will be perceived as flat again.
Somebody who has been listening to a pair of Sennheiser HD 650 and switches to the AKG K1000 will characterize the AKG as having a thin, overly bright and bass-less sound. Vice versa, the Sennheiser will be described as dark and veiled.
This is basic psychoacoustics and cannot be circumvented, even if you know it's there. That's just how our hearing works. It is therefore necessary to compare headphones both against and independent from each other.
Also, because the sensitization to a signal happens over a time, it is important to keep evaluating headphones over a longer period of time, with a varying set of baseline as a comparison criteria.
If headphones are to be judged for their apparent naturality (how natural they sound) the comparison must be against an unamplified, acoustic sound setting, preferably human voice(s). Acoustic recordings will not do, it must be the real thing, not a replica. Even then, the space (room, hall, field, etc) in which the acoustic event takes place can influence this evaluation of naturality.
The baseline principle is one of the main reason why first impressions or meet impressions need to be read with caution, especially if the to be tested equipment has vastly different sound characteristics from the listener’s baseline components.
post #51 of 63
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What I'm wondering is if the Edition 9's being closed, are similar to the 750's as I've described them, with only a bit more refinement? Are they worth 4 times the price. I guess I'm trying to justify an Edition 9 purchase. Sigh...

My ed9's are still breaking in, with about 130 hours on them I think. I like my pl750's, but am looking for a more refined sound overall which is why i popped for the ed9's. because i like what the 750s are doing, but want it done at a level closer to my Grado PS-1's and akg k1000's (and the gs1000's that i had for awhile, for that matter). at this point, it is very clear that the edition 9 is more then "only a bit" more refined, at least for my taste. it is closer to those other phones in having what to my ear is a more natural sounding presentation - especially in the upper mids and highs. there are moments on recordings where the 750s sound a tad "artificial" in those areas. a lot of the time they do not exhibit this, but when they do I really miss the more organic sound of ps1's.

the ed 9's are not as good as my ps1's to my ear, although they may well get there when fully "seasoned". i am hoping they do. but they are already very very good, i would have to say excellent really, and certainly beyond the 750's when used with better sources and amps. that whole subjective call on when an improvement is worth what % increase in cost is far too personal a game to try to play for someone else; but to me they are worth it.
post #52 of 63
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...although they may well get there when fully "seasoned". i am hoping they do. but they are already very very good, i would have to say excellent really, and certainly beyond the 750's when used with better sources and amps. that whole subjective call on when an improvement is worth what % increase in cost is far too personal a game to try to play for someone else; but to me they are worth it.
Thanks for the feedback. Pretty much what I expected and hopefully I can live with the 750's and not worry about not quite reaching perfection. Yeah, right...

Sigh...
post #53 of 63
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analog'd: What is your opinion of the Edition 9 vs. PROline, comfort-wise?
not sure how i missed your post for 2 days...i think that between listening to music and trying to make sure that the people in my life don't feel ignored, i'm not giving head-fi enough attention!

i am more comfortable for longer periods in the 9's and they fit around my ears nicely. they are less warm for me too. more importantly, the imitation Venuvian waffle beast hide is so soft you'd think it was pleather, and being extremely fashion oriented i feel much more comfortable wearing them out with all my armani.

(if Barney was blue instead of purple he/she?/it would be ultrasone pl750 blue!)
post #54 of 63
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Thanks for the feedback. Pretty much what I expected and hopefully I can live with the 750's and not worry about not quite reaching perfection. Yeah, right...

Sigh...
boy, do you ever need the 9's!
post #55 of 63
Thread Starter 
We held a California South Bay meet this weekend at Icarius' place, and several people got to try out the Edition 9. It was a great meet with a lot of quality cans, amps, and sources. Major props to Icarius for hosting! Click here for our impressions.
post #56 of 63
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Holy ****! Major eargasm listening to The Beatles' Love through the Edition 9's

Honestly, I think I'm even hearing a *vertical* soundstage on track 2. I thought that was the stuff of legend, up there with pink unicorns

One thing that I learned from last week's meet is that volume makes a big difference. Well duh, you might say... But truly, for some music, an extra one or two "hours" of volume pot position can make a huge difference. I still think I'm within safe decibel territory, though. I noticed that the average person at the meet listens to their headphones at almost unbearably high volumes!
post #57 of 63
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Goddammit, it's such a good album! I don't care about so-and-so's symphony on XYZ Audiophile Records, The Beatles' Love is one of the best sounding records I've *ever* heard. I'm sure the Edition 9's are doing their part, but WOW, does recording quality make a difference...
post #58 of 63
Glad to read that you are truly enjoying the music, with the help for the Edition 9s... 8~) Cuts off of both of the recent Beatles releases that I really enjoy on my system are Because off of the Love Album, and Eleanor Rigby (Strings Only) off of Anthology. Good stuff.
post #59 of 63
I'm hearing these cans aren't so demanding, so they should be driven reasonably with the Hornet -- at least for now. I've found the will to splurge on these things, cuz they sound just about perfect for me... with room to upgrade.

Does anyone have any experience driving these with the Hornet? From what I'm reading, I don't feel that I'll be disappointed, but any better idea for me what to expect? I wonder how long it will last before I get a desktop, SS (per Sovkiller's recommendation) amp...

I wish they were available. I don't suppose anyone knows anything more about availability at this time? (NSL says they're on backorder, with an unknown ETA.)
post #60 of 63
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the ed 9's are not as good as my ps1's to my ear, although they may well get there when fully "seasoned".
Give them time, and remember that comparing them back and forth will not help, get fully used to them first, not only becasue of the S-logic that by know you should be used to, the presentation of the heapdhone itself is also very different...But IMO very natural...

BTW do you really like the PS-1 so much? Honestly I have heard them a few times and the over-powered unnatural bass make me go away imediately (maybe was the setup, but ) I don't know but they were supposed to be for recording studio use in Germany, but being among the less neutral and far from reality sounding heaphones I have heard, not sure how these mastrings and mixings will end in Germany honestly...
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