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post #286 of 562
4/26/07 at 5:48pm
Being 25ohm headphones, what kind of amps are you guys using?
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post #287 of 562
4/26/07 at 5:49pm
I'm going to be using a Singlepower MPX3 SLAM.
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post #288 of 562
4/26/07 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by cotdt View Post
.. is a cross between the HD650 and K701
Which is how recabled HD650 sound like.
Sorry, but in my setup HD650 had better midrange details and less tiresome than D2000 bass. Senns are not as bright as W5000 but I wouldn't call it a "veil" just darker presentation. Again may be that just my setup and Zu cable.
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post #289 of 562
4/26/07 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
Which is how recabled HD650 sound like.
Sorry, but in my setup HD650 had better midrange details and less tiresome than D2000 bass. Senns are not as bright as W5000 but I wouldn't call it a "veil" just darker presentation. Again may be that just my setup and Zu cable.
I never heard the Zu-recabled HD650, but it is still darker than the D2000, yes?
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post #290 of 562
4/26/07 at 5:58pm
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I never heard the Zu-recabled HD650, but it is still darker than the D2000, yes?
Not at all.
My earlier impressions on two
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post #291 of 562
4/26/07 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
Which is how recabled HD650 sound like.
Sorry, but in my setup HD650 had better midrange details and less tiresome than D2000 bass. Senns are not as bright as W5000 but I wouldn't call it a "veil" just darker presentation. Again may be that just my setup and Zu cable.
I've heard the HD650 stock, with the zu cable and the silver dragon. Out of a WA3, MPX3 SLAM and a cmoy. Using the dac-60 in my sig, except for the cmoy, which was used with an ipod line out.

It sounded exactly the same with each cable, the only differences coming from the amps.

Overall, it sounds (to me), dark, veiled (especially in the mids and upper mids), slow, muddy, lacks detail and has no high end extension.

I also tried it defoamed. This made it less muddy and a little shrill when it TRIED (and failed) to produce a high end, but other than that it was more or less the same. I don't like the HD650. I have not heard it balanced, but I would like to hear it some day.
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post #292 of 562
4/26/07 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by 003 View Post
I've heard the HD650 stock, with the zu cable and the silver dragon. Out of a WA3, MPX3 SLAM and a cmoy. Using the dac-60 in my sig, except for the cmoy, which was used with an ipod line out.

It sounded exactly the same with each cable, the only differences coming from the amps.

Overall, it sounds (to me), dark, veiled (especially in the mids and upper mids), slow, muddy, lacks detail and has no high end extension.

I also tried it defoamed. This made it less muddy and a little shrill when it TRIED (and failed) to produce a high end, but other than that it was more or less the same. I don't like the HD650. I have not heard it balanced, but I would like to hear it some day.
Well, in that case I assure you Denon will not be your cup of tea either. Try some Grado, DT880 or W5000.
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post #293 of 562
4/26/07 at 6:30pm
Don't get me wrong, I would love the HD650 if it had better high end extension, slightly more detailed mids (ala no veil) and a smidge faster (not to be mistaken with less "quantity") bass. From skylab and everybody else's review it sounds like they will be right up my alley! I need to just sit back, wait for them to get here and try them for myself.
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post #294 of 562
4/26/07 at 7:31pm
Well they are here. Keep in mind these are initial impressions on a brand new pair. Holy bass batman! And I'm not sure thats a good thing. It seems to muddy up the lower midrange a bit. Hopefully it calms down with some break in.

As someone that really likes the W5000 I'm not sure these are going to be it for me. As far as the "veil" goes I would say it's still there. They sound very flat except for the bass.

Time to break in for a day or so.
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post #295 of 562
4/26/07 at 10:37pm
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As far as the "veil" goes I would say it's still there.
Uh oh. I guess I'll find out, won't I. I still have a few rays of hope though, as you mentioned it is not burned in (I'm on the fence about this being real or not), and I found the W5000 seriously lacked bass. With the K1000 that was all right, because everything else sounded so good it made up for the lack of bass.

The W5000 lacks impact, where as the K1000 lacks extension. IMO of course.
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post #296 of 562
4/26/07 at 10:44pm
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I found the W5000 seriously lacked bass.
I had the same problem. I just happened to find a pair of tubes for the LD2++ (I know) and they really added bass to the W5000s. I originally tried the D5000s and the bass almost blew my head off.

Another little disappointment is they say "Made in China" on the side. Then again just about everything does. They also didn't come with a case, but I already knew that.
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post #297 of 562
4/26/07 at 10:48pm
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I had the same problem. I just happened to find a pair of tubes for the LD2++ (I know) and they really added bass to the W5000s. I originally tried the D5000s and the bass almost blew my head off.

Another little disappointment is they say "Made in China" on the side. Then again just about everything does. They also didn't come with a case, but I already knew that.
Hold a second, D2000 made in China, D5000 supposed to be Japanese made product. Skylab reported that his are.
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post #298 of 562
4/26/07 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by naamanf View Post
I had the same problem. I just happened to find a pair of tubes for the LD2++ (I know) and they really added bass to the W5000s. I originally tried the D5000s and the bass almost blew my head off.

Another little disappointment is they say "Made in China" on the side. Then again just about everything does. They also didn't come with a case, but I already knew that.
Where did you order your D5000 from?

Now, if you found a pair of tubes that made the W5000 gain some real bass, then maybe those particular tubes are not the best match for the D5000. I would try the ones you felt lacked bass with the W5000.

As for where it's made. It probably doesn't matter, Denon probably just has multiple manufacturing plants in different countries. Unless they have different drivers or have wood finish problems, I would not be concerned.
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post #299 of 562
4/26/07 at 10:54pm
I ordered mine from PJ. I used the SR-71 to listen to the D5000s because I was too lazy to swap tubes and Skylab already reported they sounded very good with that amp.
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post #300 of 562
4/26/07 at 10:56pm
Have you tried them without the ear cups?
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