Originally Posted by hciman77
This has been done many many times with ordinary 16 bit recordings of LP i.e www.matrixhifi.com
and by folks on RAO. In no blind test anywhere has anybody (so far) been able to tell the difference between LP and decent CD-R copy of LP. 16 bits is enough to make an undistinguishable copy of LP.
Are you saying, regardless of the source the 16bit version is played on, and regardless of the LP it was transferred from and played back on, nobody has been able to tell the difference between LP and CD?
I will check out the link.....
.....Ok so I checked it out. Interesting web site, they are definitely on their own kick. I like it when people challenge themselves and the common perception. However, I cannot comment as to the validity, or if I agree or not simply because there are too many factors involved. I'd really have had to have been there. One thing that is for certain - when I change out equipment in my own setup, yes it is not double blind or what have you, but without regard to preference of the actual hardware, I can always come to a conclusion on what it is I like and do not like about what I am hearing. This seems to remain consistant and this is also what changes when certain equipment is swapped out. Now sometimes it is the case that I don't hear a difference.
In the case of Alex's machine versus the stock UX-1... I have no doubts that almost anybody with reasonable experience in music listening would be able to tell that the players were different. I can see how it could be possible that someoen might prefer one to the other, or simply might not care. Also, the way it seems to be with human psychology is that, once some detail or aspect is noticed, it cannot be easily 'un-noticed' henceforth.
However, before this has occured, it may not exist to perception at all. In the case of two systems that have been heard for the first time, both of which are quite different, both in electronics and in dollar value, I still hold that it is possible that it can take some time to really distinguish the subtle differences, that, once perceived, are far more obvious and evident.
It can be similar to two people looking at two paintings. One painting has been done by an amateur, and looks great, but is not a masterpiece. The other is. When viewed briefly and for the first time, both people, regardless of experience with paintings, may not notice much of a difference. These things sometimes come with time. On the other hand, one of them might and the other might not. It all depends. This, to me, has less to do with the equipment (or paintings) and more to do with the situation, time, and experience involved. It is true that the extreme high-end of audio can sometimes be a subtle art - but subtlety can still be quite potent, once realized.
I do not know what is going on, with great specificity, concerning the blind tests. However, like most things in life, there is always simultenously more and less to it, depending on who you are, what you already believe, and of course, how deeply you want to look... just my 25 cents here.