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Senn 650 Phones - So many people have them with extras/tweaks! Tell me about these?

post #1 of 37
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Hello! I see all sorts of weird things I'm unfamiliar with after Sennheiser 650's in peoples' signatures.

Talk of Dragons, XLR's, cords, etc., etc. I have no idea what these things are, but if I get 650's I want to have them.

Can someone please tell me what are the best weaks/extras of this type to get with a 650, and how to order a pair that has these added features?


Thank you!!!!
post #2 of 37
Moon Audio Silver Dragon and Zu Mobius are popular brands of cable that people use with their 650s. XLR is a type of connector, balanced as opposed to the unbalanced 1/4" or 1/8" TRS (stereo jack and minijack) which comes with most consumer headphones.
post #3 of 37
There is really only one tweak to the HD650, which is an aftermarket cable, and then two configurations for the cable, single ended or balanced (XLR). The big cables out there are by: moon-audio (the Dragon cables), Zu, Equinox, and Headphile. Also some members make cables as well. People tend to tweak the HD650 more than other headphones (Grado, Beyer, AKG, ATH) because the cable is detachable. I bet Sennheiser had no idea the effect this would have on the headphone market when they designed it this way.
post #4 of 37
Before you start on the whole cable business, make sure you have a decent source and amp. These make the biggest difference, after which then come cables.

Cheers!
post #5 of 37
IMHO. the best way to go would be buying set of headphones which sound good without those extra tweaks (and the HD650 just might be the ticket). Most of the tweaks are probably based on placebo, anyway.


Regards,

L.
post #6 of 37
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Originally Posted by Leporello View Post
IMHO. the best way to go would be buying set of headphones which sound good without those extra tweaks (and the HD650 just might be the ticket). Most of the tweaks are probably based on placebo, anyway.


Regards,

L.
the Zu cable upgrade is as far from a placebo effect as you can imagine. try it and get back to us.
post #7 of 37

HD 600/650 Tweaks...

They make a real and substantial improvement!

But... the most substantial improvements are realized from careful matching of your setup, and removing the foam liners.

And... the best value in a Senn cable is the Headphile Senn v2 Black Silver - most impact for the buck in cables.

Just do a search and you'll find more than you want to know.
post #8 of 37
Don't even think about balanced, until you are ready to make a significant investment. Start with the Senns and go from there.
post #9 of 37
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Originally Posted by vcoheda View Post
There is really only one tweak to the HD650, which is an aftermarket cable, and then two configurations for the cable, single ended or balanced (XLR). The big cables out there are by: moon-audio (the Dragon cables), Zu, Equinox, and Headphile. Also some members make cables as well. People tend to tweak the HD650 more than other headphones (Grado, Beyer, AKG, ATH) because the cable is detachable. I bet Sennheiser had no idea the effect this would have on the headphone market when they designed it this way.
you forget cardas.
i am willing to bet that sennheisser knew EXACTLY what they were doing putting the crap stock cable on the hd650. it is the best cable senheisser has ever built for a headphne like this, but still lacking. by cabling tyhis way (with cheap junk) they can sell a headphone (street price) for $350 with a $500 retail price, that when paired with a $150 cable sounds like it is worth mor ethan $500.
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Originally Posted by Leporello View Post
IMHO. the best way to go would be buying set of headphones which sound good without those extra tweaks (and the HD650 just might be the ticket). Most of the tweaks are probably based on placebo, anyway.
the hd650 started to turn me into a cable believer. its a cheap "investment" of time and money if you want to try cables. they are both relatively easy to unload in the FS forums if you dont want one.
post #10 of 37
I agree with the previous post. The Zu upgrade was so impactful that I sent my AKG 701s to Drew at Moonaudio for Blackdragon cables. The Zu really opened up the 650s, tightened the bass blob, if you will, and seem to energize the total listening experience. I, too, became a believer in cable upgrades
post #11 of 37
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you forget cardas.
Yes and No. I was more naming vendors than actual cables. But Cardas is another good cable to consider, sold my Moon Audio or HeadRoom.

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Originally Posted by nikongod View Post
i am willing to bet that sennheisser knew EXACTLY what they were doing putting the crap stock cable on the hd650. it is the best cable senheisser has ever built for a headphne like this, but still lacking. by cabling tyhis way (with cheap junk) they can sell a headphone (street price) for $350 with a $500 retail price, that when paired with a $150 cable sounds like it is worth mor ethan $500.
Or Sennheiser built the HD650 just like all of their other headphones, with parts that could be easily ordered and replaced by the user if damaged from defect or use. I don't know enough about this either way. But its just seems to give Sennheiser too much credit to think that they suspected manufacturers would go to produce and sell $250 aftermarket cables and that people would actually pay for them for use with their HD580/600/650s. If Sennheiser knew this, I think they would probably sell the upgraded cable themselves. Lots of money to be made there (obviously).
post #12 of 37
Cardas is my favorite HD600 & 650 cable; it's what I'm currently using.
post #13 of 37
Im looking at Zu after I complete my Stello set up, as cables come last in line according to most people here.
post #14 of 37
Defoamed them, and i've added the Equinox cable.
post #15 of 37
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Originally Posted by Leporello View Post
IMHO. the best way to go would be buying set of headphones which sound good without those extra tweaks (and the HD650 just might be the ticket). Most of the tweaks are probably based on placebo, anyway.


Regards,

L.
I agree. I would strongly caution against buying these "tweaks," which I seriously doubt will make any difference at all.
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