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post #46 of 187
sweet thanks! think i might go for this model
post #47 of 187
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Originally Posted by lini View Post
Well, I fear there might have been two sorts of 5520s then - the ones I meant looked like this:
Aaaaah that's strange, this is also called 5520

post #48 of 187
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Originally Posted by robbmcaulay View Post
Aaaaah that's strange, this is also called 5520

Ah, ok - that is the other PS-5520 then. Looks like one of those typical Japanese decks of that period sold in slight variantions (mainly the design of the control buttons and levers) by many Japanese brands (e.g. Kenwood, JVC, Pioneer, Sanyo, Sansui, Toshiba...) and which I suppose all originally came OEMed by CEC.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

P.S.: After some more research, I'm having some doubts that what the guy at the Direct Drive Museum shows as PS-5520 really is a PS-5520. Seems more like that actually is a TTS-4000...
post #49 of 187
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sweet thanks! think i might go for this model
Go for it! I've been listening to mine the last couple of days, and everytime I listen, I just marvel at how something that I bought for less than $50 sounds better than my digital source that cost 10x more. I can't imagine how more expensive vinyl rigs must sound.

If it wasn't for the convenience and cost of CDs, I'd go strictly vinyl.
post #50 of 187
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Go for it! I've been listening to mine the last couple of days, and everytime I listen, I just marvel at how something that I bought for less than $50 sounds better than my digital source that cost 10x more. I can't imagine how more expensive vinyl rigs must sound.

If it wasn't for the convenience and cost of CDs, I'd go strictly vinyl.
I found a JVC AL-FQ555 at my parent's house, and I've been listening to old Gary Numan all day. It just sounds INCREDIBLE, especially compared to the MP3 copies on my iPod. Such a warmer, fuller sound. Sure there's a few pops and clicks which I'm not used to, but it's an old rig, and a well used record, and anyway; it adds shedloads of character to the sound.
I'm going to go for that PL-12D, as this JVC is fully automatic and doesn't have the ability to play 7" I don't think (plus i don't know if my folks would be happy with me stealing their record player).
I'm excited - i think Vinyl may be the way to go for listening at home.
post #51 of 187
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For those looking for sub-$100 turntables, buy locally and save yourself the shipping cost and possible grief from shipping damage.
This is probably a really stupid question, but how does one go about looking for such things locally? I'm in the Seattle, WA area so i'm sure there's plenty of Audio Equipment shops in the greater metro / downtown area... not sure how to find them though.

Mayhap i'll have to bust out the good 'ol phonebook
post #52 of 187
Craigslist, which I'm sure is big in Seattle, or do a local search on eBay and before bidding contact the seller to see if local pickup is OK.
post #53 of 187
I've recently been directed to this thread in my search for a turntable and am wondering what order the list is in? Higher model numbers are at the bottom, but does this mean they are later models or higher end or a combination of the two?

This one (Kenwood kd2055) looks good and is last in the Kenwood list but it's quite expensive compared to (for example) the many Pioneer PL-512's available, just trying to get some idea if it's worth it.


Thanks in advance

Edit: this looks even better, but I can't find anything on it - anyone heard one?
post #54 of 187
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what order the list is in? Higher model numbers are at the bottom, but does this mean they are later models or higher end or a combination of the two?
No particular order. Japanese manufacturers were just as profligate with ranges of different models every few months back then as they are today.

Generally at this end of the market higher models had more automation but these days are usually availble for the same amount as the simpler ones. This is sometimes a mixed blessing though as there is obviously more to go wrong...


Since you are in the UK don't overlook the homegrown beltdrives from the '80s as these are common and therefore much better value for money than elsewhere in the world.

Ariston, Linn, STD, Rega, Walker, Logic, Manticore, Systemdek etc...

Also Dual CS505 and Thorens TD150/160 varients are much more cheap and plentiful than overseas and can often be had for the same price as theat Kenwood, which is a very nice deck BTW.

If you are willing to spend over 100 then look for something where the arm can be replaced with a modern one as this is where the most progress has been made since the '70s.
post #55 of 187
Thanks memepool

I wouldn't mind going over £100 if it's worth it, but the list makes no divisions for a recommended price and with talk of buying a good turntable for $20 it's all very confusing to me (no experience of vinyl at all!). Also spending more to replace bits sounds like it will get expensive, and I still haven't thought about a preamp yet. Ah Well, my home setup sounds better than anything else I've heard so doesn't need changing so why not try vinyl in a similar way (cheap, but good)

I've got a bid on a working Pioneer PL-112d (it's on the list, so the £25 it will set me back can't be too bad) looks like the arm might be replaceable but can't find definite info and it ends in under an hour. If I don't win it that cheap I'll take your advice and look into the ones you recommended.

Thanks again

Edit: Didn't win the Pioneer - still looking. Any advice welcomed
post #56 of 187
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Well the list was written in response to mainly younger Head-Fiers who had grown up with CD or MP3 and wanted to check out vinyl without blowing the kind of cash a "budget" deck like the Regas command these days, especially outside Europe.

In the UK I think we kind of kept the faith with vinyl a bit longer and this crossed over into the whole Acid House / Rave movement of the late '80s and '90s so it never really went out of fashion.

Therefore there has always been a brisk trade in turntables in the classifieds and on ebay, although prices seem to be going up of late as more older people, perhaps disillusioned with digital, return to it.

Generally with turntables you get a much bigger increase in quality between budget, mid price and high end ones than you do with digital. If you want to go to a shop and hear this then check out a Pro-Ject Debut (approx £150) compared to a Roksan Radius 5 (£750) compared to a Michel Orbe (£2000)

Anyway if I were you for starters I'd go for a Thorens TD150/160 as there seem to be a good half dozen on there at the moment. These are quite a step up in quality over the Pioneers and definitely worth paying a little over 100 for.
If you don't want to spend that much there are also a few nice Dual 505s on there which should go for well under a ton. You can get a really good Cambridge phonostage from Richer Sounds for 50 quid and an Audio Technica AT-95E can be had for 25.
Most of the decks in the list at the begining should be under 50 if that's all you want to spend.
post #57 of 187
I am young enough to have grown up with CD's but on hearing the new Metallica album was shocked how bad they are getting with the "volume war". Then I went to find some classic Iron Maiden but all I could find were remasters which were again ruined hence turning to vinyl. Buying anything expensive new means it will loose value instantly so if I don't like it thats money lost, but a used turntable should hold it's value if I look after it.

From reading the duals don't do bass as well as some, so I'll probably avoid them (I'm not a bass head by any means, but it's not an area that should be lacking IMO)

Any thoughts on the Garrard Zero 100 S? I've been reading round about it's (nearly) unique arm and that sound promising. Sloppy highs but solid bass sounds good (review), but I've only got distant memories of my mum playing classical vinyls many years ago to compare to. There are no useful shops in my town to go and test stuff so I have no choice by trusting those in the know!

I'll have a read about the Thorens next, thanks for the tip. Would going higher mean needing a more expensive phono stage? Might be worth spending more to begin with than buying twice...
post #58 of 187
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Originally Posted by suicidal_orange View Post
Any thoughts on the Garrard Zero 100 S? I've been reading round about it's (nearly) unique arm and that sound promising. Sloppy highs but solid bass sounds good (review), but I've only got distant memories of my mum playing classical vinyls many years ago to compare to. There are no useful shops in my town to go and test stuff so I have no choice by trusting those in the know!
The Garrard Zero 100 looks attractive, and I want to stress "attractive," as it does achieve zero tracking error (or, being British, should they have named it the "Nought 100"?), BUT there is a lot of friction in the bearings doing the arm articulation - it will stress the cantilever. There are better linear trackers out there.

Laz
post #59 of 187
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I am young enough to have grown up with CD's but on hearing the new Metallica album was shocked how bad they are getting with the "volume war". ...
Yeah I heard about that. Apparently the best quality digital copy is the .mp3 version on the PS3 game which comes from a less compressed pre-master. Disapointing as the older Metalica stuff from the '90s had this epic production...

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From reading the duals don't do bass as well as some, so I'll probably avoid them (I'm not a bass head by any means, but it's not an area that should be lacking IMO)...
Well I remember friends playing DC, Maiden, UFO etc on a Dual CS-505.2 and it sounded pretty damn good. To be fair I was about 15 at the time....

Budget decks like this will sound a little lightweight in the bass compared to a more expensive deck but the first thing you learn about vinyl is that it's so tweakable. You can tailor it to suit by changing the cart or the VTA or even the thickness of the mat and any number of things will slightly alter the tonal balance and fine tune it to sound exactly how you want.

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Any thoughts on the Garrard Zero 100 SI'll have a read about the Thorens next, thanks for the tip. Would going higher mean needing a more expensive phono stage? Might be worth spending more to begin with than buying twice...
Bit of a collectors piece but pretty fiddly and often found damaged 2nd hand. Plus it's meant to be a total bitch to set up. I'd go for something easier to deal with first time around.
The Thorens isn't the heaviest in the bass either but it makes up for it with amazing rhythmical ability. You won't find anything that sounds as good on drums this side of a Linn Sondek.

But arn't you mainly listening on headphones? to be brutally frank they don't go that low anyway so I doubt you'll ever notice. You need full range speakers in a 20ft square room to be really able to hear this kind of stuff.
post #60 of 187
Indeed - the guitar hero version is actually in flac (lossless) format and sounds so much better than the one they're actually selling it's laughable. I wasn't aware headphones don't go low enough to cover up this weakness in low end decks - thats good to know.

I am now sold on the Thorens, and am thinking the 160 looks the way to go as it isn't suspended so won't react so badly to being moved. Open to correction on that too though!

Thanks for all the advice
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