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post #121 of 187
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The cartridge says Audio Technica AT112E/U.
score. well done. you should also replace the stylus though as you have no way of knowing what kind of condition the one on there is in, and a worn stylus will cause irreparable damage to your records.
Again LPgear carry the replacment AT112 stylus and even have an "S" version, which stands for Shibata, which is a very high quality stylus profile. A new cart with a stylus like this today even from AT, which are usually very good value, is well over 100USD.
post #122 of 187
Hey guys, I'm pretty uneducated in turntables and that sort of stuff, but I've read some good things about the Pioneer PL-12D, and I was wondering if this particular one would be a good investment.

Vintage Pioneer PL-12D Turntable in good condition - eBay (item 260450719453 end time Aug-20-09 04:20:20 PDT)

It is missing the belt, but I was thinking a of buying one from this guy: PIONEER PL-120/PL-12D/PL12DII TT-5 TURNTABLE BELT - eBay (item 300335628634 end time Sep-02-09 16:16:24 PDT)

I also realize it's missing the cartridge, but from the picture does it look like it's missing anything else? I don't know what they look like without a cartridge, so hopefully you guys can help me out
post #123 of 187
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Originally Posted by chewedmuffin View Post
Hey guys, I'm pretty uneducated in turntables and that sort of stuff, but I've read some good things about the Pioneer PL-12D, and I was wondering if this particular one would be a good investment.

Vintage Pioneer PL-12D Turntable in good condition - eBay (item 260450719453 end time Aug-20-09 04:20:20 PDT)

It is missing the belt, but I was thinking a of buying one from this guy: PIONEER PL-120/PL-12D/PL12DII TT-5 TURNTABLE BELT - eBay (item 300335628634 end time Sep-02-09 16:16:24 PDT)

I also realize it's missing the cartridge, but from the picture does it look like it's missing anything else? I don't know what they look like without a cartridge, so hopefully you guys can help me out
That Pioneer model was pretty durable and one of the better budget turntables. It's hard to tell from pictures if the bearings are ok and the speed change mechanism, arm lift, etc are functional. It's a fair price but not a huge bargain since you will have to buy a new belt, headshell, and pay for shipping (hoping that it arrives intact).

The belt you linked to should be ok.

The arm is missing the headshell. The one linked below is similar to the original one. Everything else seems to be there.

NEW Silver Metal Headshell for Technics, Pioneer, Sony - eBay (item 360176977910 end time Sep-02-09 20:56:45 PDT)

You will also need a phono cartridge. The one linked below is a good budget cartridge and will match that arm and table.

Audio Technica AT 95 E / AT95E cartridge *BRAND NEW* - eBay (item 150300928262 end time Aug-28-09 04:29:14 PDT)

If you go ahead and purchase it, you can download the manual for it at the link below. You will have to register on the site to enable downloading.

Pioneer PL-12D Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download | Vinyl Engine
post #124 of 187
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Originally Posted by NightOwl View Post
That Pioneer model was pretty durable and one of the better budget turntables. It's hard to tell from pictures if the bearings are ok and the speed change mechanism, arm lift, etc are functional. It's a fair price but not a huge bargain since you will have to buy a new belt, headshell, and pay for shipping (hoping that it arrives intact).

The belt you linked to should be ok.

The arm is missing the headshell. The one linked below is similar to the original one. Everything else seems to be there.

NEW Silver Metal Headshell for Technics, Pioneer, Sony - eBay (item 360176977910 end time Sep-02-09 20:56:45 PDT)

You will also need a phono cartridge. The one linked below is a good budget cartridge and will match that arm and table.

Audio Technica AT 95 E / AT95E cartridge *BRAND NEW* - eBay (item 150300928262 end time Aug-28-09 04:29:14 PDT)

If you go ahead and purchase it, you can download the manual for it at the link below. You will have to register on the site to enable downloading.

Pioneer PL-12D Owners Manual, Service Manual, Schematics, Free Download | Vinyl Engine
Okay, thank you

Is there anything similar to that Pioneer that you'd suggest (price and sound)? I suppose it's smart to have multiple options. And I'm not really sure which off of that list to look at.
post #125 of 187
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Okay, thank you

Is there anything similar to that Pioneer that you'd suggest (price and sound)? I suppose it's smart to have multiple options. And I'm not really sure which off of that list to look at.
Any of them. that was sort of the point
post #126 of 187
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Any of them. that was sort of the point
Well my Dad ended up going with the Sansui SR-222, because it was really cheap on Craigslist. I've heard decent things about it, but now it's just a matter of convincing him to get a new cartridge because it's the original one. He doesn't seem to think a new one would be worthwhile :/
post #127 of 187
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Originally Posted by chewedmuffin View Post
Well my Dad ended up going with the Sansui SR-222, because it was really cheap on Craigslist. I've heard decent things about it, but now it's just a matter of convincing him to get a new cartridge because it's the original one. He doesn't seem to think a new one would be worthwhile :/
That was THE budget turntable in the late 70's. Good score.
Tell your dad that a worn stylus and/or dried out cartridge suspension (very likely with a cartridge that old) will permanently damage his vinyl besides sounding lousy. It will widen the existing grooves or carve new ones as well as emphasizing surface noise. Since the records will end up unlistenable wouldn't a new cartridge like the one I linked to in my first post be cheaper than trashing his library?
post #128 of 187
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I've heard decent things about it, but now it's just a matter of convincing him to get a new cartridge because it's the original one. He doesn't seem to think a new one would be worthwhile :/
Well done. As a rule you should always change the stylus on a 2nd hand deck of unknown provenance as Nightowl says. It may not be necessary to change the whole cartridge but generally these days repalcement stylii for vintage carts are expensive and it's often cheaper to just get a whole new cartridge.
post #129 of 187
Hi everyone, great thread. I'm looking into taking a leap into the world of vinyl and this thread has been a great help.

There's a gentleman locally on Craigslist who is selling a Harmon Kardon T25 Turntable in "good working condition" for $35. I don't see Harmon Kardon listed in the op, I can't seem to google up much about this model, and really I'm just at a loss all around as to whether or not this might be a turntable worth picking up.

You seem to be the old turntable experts so I thought I'd ask here; what's the quality like on this unit?
post #130 of 187
Looks to me like a pretty decent unit. You can use a wide variety of cartridges (it's not a p-mount) but you would have to be able to install and balance the cartridge yourself, or know someone who could. If the cartridge that is on there is the kind that had an easily replaceable stylus (needle), then that might be easier still.

You can download the manual here: http://manuals.harman.com/HK/HOM/Own...nual/T25OM.PDF

I say go for it if it's cheap - you should pay no more than $50 for it, even if it has a serviceable cartridge.
post #131 of 187
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Yes well spotted I should put these Harman Kardon ones in there. I checked a Hi-Fi Choice review from 1985 and they seemed slightly underwhelmed by this range from HK at the time so I didn't put them in when I originally compiled the list.

They basically said that the T35 wasn't as good as a Dual CS-505 or Rega Planar 2, so was a little dated sounding by 1985 as these were the ones to beat then at the price level, however they said it sounded more like a '70s deck like a Pioneer PL12D or Sansui SR222 so by no means a bad player at all in the scheme of things.

My guess is these HK decks were overpriced in the UK and the then weakness of the UKP vs USD inflated their price beyond the market level they were aimed at in the USA. Still a Rega P2 or Dual 505 are 500USD today so not a bad result at all.

Their main criticism of the T35 was that it was poorly isolated from acoustic feedback so you will definitely need to put it on a good solid surface away from any other equipment and also changing the feet for something more modern like sorbothane pods would be a good tweak.
Removing the lid whilst playing records will also help and getting a better quality modern platter mat made of silicone, or something similar will also be a good upgrade. Herbie's Way mats are perfect if a little pricey for a deck like this.

They liked the tonearm and praised the engineering and accuracy which is good since this is the achilles heal of most turntables of a certain age. It's mass is on the lower side of medium at 9gms but should work well with modern carts. My recommendation would be an Audio Technica cart like the AT95 which will add a bit of vim into the sound which they characterised as being a bit laid back and soft.

The T55 is the best of the bunch, if you ever come accross one, with an arm designed by the famous Japanese desinger Ito who built the Linn Ittok arm, one of the highest regarded of that period. This deck was way overpriced in the UK so didn't get that much praise from the press either but again would be a baragin if you can find one for around 100USD today.
post #132 of 187

A Lab-2200

One is up on ebay that i think i can get for $62.5 (thats $40 shipping)

A radioshake model from the early/mid-80's. The lab-2200. Should I go for it. This will be my first table and am using it for a speaker set up. Should I go for it?
post #133 of 187
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One is up on ebay that i think i can get for $62.5 (thats $40 shipping)

A radioshake model from the early/mid-80's. The lab-2200. Should I go for it. This will be my first table and am using it for a speaker set up. Should I go for it?
That's a direct drive linear tracker from the late '80s as far as I know. It's a lot more complex than the simple belt drive Radioshack / Realistic model from the '70s that I mentioned at the beginning.
Build quality for these kind of highly automated decks, even the high end Technics or Bang And Olufsen ones, was uniformly poor by that time so I'd steer clear.

My advice would be to look for something simpler and closer to home on Craigs List, so you can go and pick it up in person, and see it working before putting your hand in your pocket.
post #134 of 187
Great topic! Very useful. I've got a few questions myself, I have a Akai AM-A2 Amplifier and now I'm looking for a record player.

I can get a Marantz 6170 for 60/65 Euro's (about 95 USD), and a Pioneer P-91 for 35 Euro's (52 USD). Maybe you people know something more about these players and perhaps also the amplifier because of all these items there's not much to find.

I'm especcially interested in the Pioneer because my parents got the exact same player (It's now hooked up with my AM-A2, sounds pretty ok I guess but I've no experience with record players).

What to do?
post #135 of 187
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I can get a Marantz 6170 for 60/65 Euro's (about 95 USD), and a Pioneer P-91 for 35 Euro's (52 USD).

I'm especcially interested in the Pioneer because my parents got the exact same player (It's now hooked up with my AM-A2, sounds pretty ok I guess but I've no experience with record players).

What to do?
Pioneer generally had a better reputation than Marantz for turntables but I don't know the model you mention at all. Are you sure you have the number right? If it's a black later '80s model then I'd probably avoid it. You can find out about most of their range here Pioneer Owners Manuals, Service Manuals, Schematics, Free Download | Vinyl Engine and Marantz is also figured on there.

I've had a 6170 and the price you are quoting is about right. It's a good starter deck, upto the standard of a basic Denon or Technics direct drive, and you can put a Shure M-97 or Audio Technica AT95E cart on it and should work fine with your Akai.

In the long run you want to look at getting a separate phono stage like a Cambridge Audio 540/640P as I'd imagine the one in the Akai is pretty perfunctory. Akai were really a tape specialist then and the rest of their kit never really set the world alight.
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