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post #1 of 65
3/14/07 at 9:46pm
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Ok folks here it is the k1000 dedicated listening room at the San Jose HeadFest 2007. The room size is 23'x26' so we should should have room to accomodate 10-12 k1000 rigs. The room will be a quiet room to compensate for the open nature of these headphones. So expect a few librarian sssshhhhhhes
We are trying to work out some sources at the moment (more to follow)

This room will also be an excellent place to check out the difference recabling can make to your beloved k1000. It is also a great venue to convert the k1000 non-believers among us.

Here so far are the amps that will be in attendance

Musical Fidelity X-A1 50WPC (BRBJackson)
Moth 300b (Voltron)
RedWine Audio Sig 30 (bobcn)
SAC K1000 amp(Tyrion)
dared mp5 (immtbiker)
AMB β22 amp + σ22 PSU (AMB)
Dussun V6i integrated (Ping Gong)
Pass Labs Aelph 30 (Neil Peart)
custom mystery amp

Huge thanks to Stefan Audio Arts and Moon audio for sponsoring the room and loaning cables for use with the K1000s.

More huge thanks to Slim Devices and Headroom for supplying the sources for the room!
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post #2 of 65
3/15/07 at 4:13pm
This is so cool, I wish I had time to make it to this meet
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post #3 of 65
3/15/07 at 8:16pm
If not many people end up listening to the Cayin HA-1A that'll be on my table, I'll gladly donate it to this room.
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post #4 of 65
3/15/07 at 8:32pm
I'm wondering which room in the hotel you plan on using for this?
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post #5 of 65
3/15/07 at 9:29pm
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I'm wondering which room in the hotel you plan on using for this?
The K1000 room is going to be in one of the guest rooms on the first floor around the corner from your office. We have three vendor demo rooms and the K1000 room so far in that hallway.
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post #6 of 65
3/16/07 at 8:15am
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If not many people end up listening to the Cayin HA-1A that'll be on my table, I'll gladly donate it to this room.
I'd love the hear the cayin with the k1000s maybe one or part of one day would work?
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post #7 of 65
3/16/07 at 10:28am
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I'd love the hear the cayin with the k1000s maybe one or part of one day would work?
I wonder if the Dared MP5 or one of the other incarnations of the amp would be worth trying. I heard the Sonic Intergrity Tube Pod driving the 95db Sonist speakers and it did a nice job.
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post #8 of 65
3/16/07 at 11:55am
Just a thought...

Since Moon and SAA are donating pigtails for the event, how about selecting one or two of the better rigs (top amps with top sources), and connect both the Moon and SAA pigtails to the same amps. For example, connect two pigtails to a top of the line F1, 300B and/or Sig 30 rig (with top of line source). Then with a single set of K1000s, the user could switch back and forth between the two pigtails with all else remaining the same. SQ differences would then be attributable to the pigtails.

Likewise, if anyone has a source that simultaneously outputs both balanced and unbalanced signals (like a Wadia CDP, for example), you could connect a single source to both a balanced amp (F1) and unbalanced (like the Sig 30), then run the same brand of pigtails from each amp. In this case users could compare the two amps, with ICs (and balanced mode) being the only differences.

What do you think???
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post #9 of 65
3/16/07 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
I wonder if the Dared MP5 or one of the other incarnations of the amp would be worth trying. I heard the Sonic Intergrity Tube Pod driving the 95db Sonist speakers and it did a nice job.
There's one for sale you know you want to buy it and find out
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post #10 of 65
3/16/07 at 4:13pm
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There's one for sale you know you want to buy it and find out
What are you doing on before the end of your long boring work day at the ant farm?

Not a chance. I'm completely done.
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post #11 of 65
3/17/07 at 3:27pm
Kent,

That is a great idea. The differences, although subtle, may be significant to the total presentation and nothing beats an A/B comparison. Would also suggest that everyone brings their own favorite CD/SACDs to the meet.

Tom

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Originally Posted by Alwayswantmore View Post
Just a thought...

Since Moon and SAA are donating pigtails for the event, how about selecting one or two of the better rigs (top amps with top sources), and connect both the Moon and SAA pigtails to the same amps. For example, connect two pigtails to a top of the line F1, 300B and/or Sig 30 rig (with top of line source). Then with a single set of K1000s, the user could switch back and forth between the two pigtails with all else remaining the same. SQ differences would then be attributable to the pigtails.

Likewise, if anyone has a source that simultaneously outputs both balanced and unbalanced signals (like a Wadia CDP, for example), you could connect a single source to both a balanced amp (F1) and unbalanced (like the Sig 30), then run the same brand of pigtails from each amp. In this case users could compare the two amps, with ICs (and balanced mode) being the only differences.

What do you think???
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post #12 of 65
3/17/07 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by tmarshl View Post
Kent,

That is a great idea. The differences, although subtle, may be significant to the total presentation and nothing beats an A/B comparison. Would also suggest that everyone brings their own favorite CD/SACDs to the meet.

Tom
we can certainly do a tail to tail comparision. The nice thing about the room is we should have a fairly quiet environment to compare the subtle aspects of wire changes.
I would really love to hear a hard wired Moon or SAA cable termed in tinned ends to see if the lack of flexibility it worth the commitment. With the pin end you can add tails to , run balanced dual 3 prong to hear the b-52 or other balanced amps, a 1/4 tail for standard amps like the extreme or speaker end tails for the sig 30 or f1. If hardwired to speaker ends is a nice step up I'd be willing to give up the flex connection to get the better SQ. These and other burning questions will be answered 4/21-22 in the k1000 room
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post #13 of 65
3/17/07 at 4:51pm
Good point. I ended up going with tinned ends on my SAA Equinox hardwire, and it sounds wonderful. I am willing to put up with the lack of flexibility.

But, I would love to hear how it sounds with connectors. It seems that everything about ICs and speaker wire can make a significant difference.

Of course with an instant A/B comparison, you will need to have an A/B switch in the setup. One needs to make sure that the A/B switch doesn't add any untoward effects.

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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
we can certainly do a tail to tail comparision. The nice thing about the room is we should have a fairly quiet environment to compare the subtle aspects of wire changes.
I would really love to hear a hard wired Moon or SAA cable termed in tinned ends to see if the lack of flexibility it worth the commitment. With the pin end you can add tails to , run balanced dual 3 prong to hear the b-52 or other balanced amps, a 1/4 tail for standard amps like the extreme or speaker end tails for the sig 30 or f1. If hardwired to speaker ends is a nice step up I'd be willing to give up the flex connection to get the better SQ. These and other burning questions will be answered 4/21-22 in the k1000 room
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post #14 of 65
3/17/07 at 7:25pm
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Of course with an instant A/B comparison, you will need to have an A/B switch in the setup. One needs to make sure that the A/B switch doesn't add any untoward effects.
My opinion is that it is best to avoid a direct switch, and stick to playing a passage (or portion of a passage) on system A, then play the same passage on system B. That way the listener focuses more on the total picture (and the subtle differences in detail, tone, soundstage, etc.), and not just the immediate delta that jumps out with an A/B switch. Plus no one listens with A/B switches in their homes, so I think passages are a better way to evaluate top of the line gear (just my opinion).
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post #15 of 65
3/17/07 at 7:33pm
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I would really love to hear a hard wired Moon or SAA cable termed in tinned ends to see if the lack of flexibility it worth the commitment.
I'm in the purest camp -- hardwire to silver solder bare wire ends is as pure as you can get. This eliminates several solder connections as well as the XLR connector with it's inherent limitations.

Personally I believe that K1000s are revealing enough that it's worth going to a single hardwire if possible. Not everyone may hear the differences right of the bat, but given a truely quite room and a top of the line source (and a very good recording), I would bet there will be some improvement in SQ (admittedly it may be subtle). But hopefully no one will try to argue that the simple route will sound worse, will they???
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