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post #46 of 86
3/12/07 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by elrod-tom View Post
I think the objection is to the use of the word scammed. I think it struck some folks funny that someone would use such loaded language when they'd not so much as attempted to contact the seller.

There might be a perfectly good reason for having fewer braids...dunno. Never will know until someone registers the complaint...right?

As for the question raised by some about the parts cost, IMHO this ought not be an issue. The issue seems to be about how the product is constructed, not the parts used. The buyer (again, IMHO) signed off on the parts when he bought the product, and so long as the parts are as represented (they seem to be), that's not an issue.
Agree in part and disagree in part.

We can all say "scam" or "fraud" is probably of no moment in this case. WRT how the product is constructed, the issue at stake is:
Is the product faultily manufactured when the manufacturer usually reserves the right to modify the product without notice.

I think I have advocated on more than one occasion that sites like this ought not to be used as a dispute resolution forum. Now if Jude wants to make lots of $$$$ doing ADR that's fine with me, but he should have a separate site or at least a separate section for that. I recommend Jude hire some former judges as moderators (they are excellent)
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post #47 of 86
3/12/07 at 4:30pm
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Guys, can mods delete this thread or soemthing? I think it was a mistake on my behalf to post this thread.. or just.. chance the thread op since I don't seem to be able to change it.

I really like Ken's crafted works. They're really beautiful and flawless to me so I was willing to buy two of his cables the Bling Bling and Jumbo Cyro. In hindsight, I have overreacted. I should have made a different thread title.

Just a note to you guys about posting. My intentions were those of this thread regarding a Grado being somewhat defective looking. (http://www4.head-fi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2573865)

I thought it would be fine to post something to see if I am nitpicking or not.. but my main mistake would be the thread title. Could someone please change it ASAP? I dunno how.

Sorry Ken for my impulsiveness to post this before contacting you.
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post #48 of 86
3/12/07 at 4:41pm
If you go back to the first post in this thread, click "edit" and then click "Go Advanced," you should be able to edit the thread title.
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post #49 of 86
3/12/07 at 4:44pm
I can delete the thread, if that's what you want. As for changing the title, see the post just above mine for instructions (or, if it's easier, just PM me and let me know how you want it to read).

I don't think there's any problem discussing the construction per se, it was the use of the word "scam" that was concerning to me.
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post #50 of 86
3/12/07 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by elrod-tom View Post
I can delete the thread, if that's what you want. As for changing the title, see the post just above mine for instructions (or, if it's easier, just PM me and let me know how you want it to read).

I don't think there's any problem discussing the construction per se, it was the use of the word "scam" that was concerning to me.
ok thanks Elrod.. i guess this thread can stay since I changed the op now XD
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post #51 of 86
3/12/07 at 5:08pm
Now the thread title has changed I don't mind expressing my view.

Given the pictures you have posted are taken at face value then I too wold have been a little dis-heartened by my new cable not looking as expected.

Did you get a standard length or was it ordered shorter? If that was the case I could see how it could be difficult to match the braiding.

But all in all when posting a thread like this it should be expected that the manufacturer (especially closely connected to Head-Fi through adverting, sponsorship or just a frequent poster) would see the thread too. I would not have wanted to open a dialogue about a cable with the maker if he had seen the thread before I communicated with him.

Since this is Head Fi the ruiner of many a wallet and second home of many a poser of bling, bling gear we understand.
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post #52 of 86
3/12/07 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Nenso View Post
Guys, can mods delete this thread or soemthing? I think it was a mistake on my behalf to post this thread.. or just.. chance the thread op since I don't seem to be able to change it.

I really like Ken's crafted works. They're really beautiful and flawless to me so I was willing to buy two of his cables the Bling Bling and Jumbo Cyro. In hindsight, I have overreacted. I should have made a different thread title.

Just a note to you guys about posting. My intentions were those of this thread regarding a Grado being somewhat defective looking. (http://www4.head-fi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2573865)

I thought it would be fine to post something to see if I am nitpicking or not.. but my main mistake would be the thread title. Could someone please change it ASAP? I dunno how.

Sorry Ken for my impulsiveness to post this before contacting you.
You have expressed your intent awkwardly and have apologized for the error. Good job! Quality is important for the premium paid. The vendor will be held accountable on this forum if not. In this case, how does it sound?
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post #53 of 86
3/12/07 at 6:26pm
Thanks for editing the thread title Nenso. I do hope you contact Ken to hear his thoughts and I bet you will be a happy customer in the end. Cheers.
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post #54 of 86
3/12/07 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by Nenso View Post
Guys, can mods delete this thread or soemthing? I think it was a mistake on my behalf to post this thread.. or just.. chance the thread op since I don't seem to be able to change it.

I really like Ken's crafted works. They're really beautiful and flawless to me so I was willing to buy two of his cables the Bling Bling and Jumbo Cyro. In hindsight, I have overreacted. I should have made a different thread title.

Just a note to you guys about posting. My intentions were those of this thread regarding a Grado being somewhat defective looking. (http://www4.head-fi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2573865)

I thought it would be fine to post something to see if I am nitpicking or not.. but my main mistake would be the thread title. Could someone please change it ASAP? I dunno how.

Sorry Ken for my impulsiveness to post this before contacting you.
Thanks for making the change. I think that it more accurately reflects what's actually at issue here.

I think it works out better for everyone when we contact the vendor first when problems come up. It results in fewer bad feelings, and let's face it, issues of concern are going to come up. It's how those issues are dealt with when they do come up IMHO that makes all the difference.
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post #55 of 86
3/12/07 at 6:31pm
personally, i don't have a problem with receiving products that don't look identical to the props used in commercial images to sell the products. ken is a good person and short-changing his customers would be the last thing on his mind, i'm certain...however, ken may be a victim of his own doing by not putting in a disclaimer that the actual product may not look the same as in the pics on his website...hint, hint...

having said that, one should be aware that the total cost of any item should take into account the labour/time involved...sure, the dock is $2, the canare plug is $4, the solder/liquid plastid/polystyrene/heatshrinktubes/insulating tape is approx. $2 per IC and the jena jumbo cryo wire is approx. $6 per/ft (michael of jena labs quoted me on this last year)

so, the total parts involved may only be approx. $20...but ken has to gather all these parts, organize and build the IC, use his soldering expertise to make it sound right and finally stand behind his products with great customer care...

so, unless you're ready to DIY, be glad ken is out there making these available and not charging you $300...
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post #56 of 86
3/12/07 at 6:54pm
You paid $165us+ for that ? OMG !

Thats like less than $10 in parts and maybe $5 in labour if that in Canadian dollars !

I have posted on many thread and most audiophiles are suckers for ultra expensive cables ...its unreal what un technical people will believe and buy !
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post #57 of 86
3/12/07 at 7:11pm
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You paid $165us+ for that ? OMG !

Thats like less than $10 in parts and maybe $5 in labour if that in Canadian dollars !

I have posted on many thread and most audiophiles are suckers for ultra expensive cables ...its unreal what un technical people will believe and buy !
And here we have some one on the way opposite side of the spectrum. No way that's $5 in labor and part costs may be low, but that's part of buying in bulk.
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post #58 of 86
3/12/07 at 8:37pm
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I have just e-mailed Ken, I hope all is well after what I posted here = =
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post #59 of 86
3/12/07 at 8:47pm
I'm pretty sure the materials cost more than that. The wire is cryo wire, and the connectors got treated or something. I assume sending docks and other little stuff to get dipped in a cryo vat for a few days costs more than "15 canadian dollars..."
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post #60 of 86
3/12/07 at 9:10pm
I just don't see why this thread turned out to be "rag on ALO's business model". If you don't agree with his price, don't buy it. If you think his profit margin is too high, then by all means start making your own cables and selling them for cheaper. People wonder why there aren't more DIY amp and cable builders out there and then when someone tries to be a builder, people come and sh*t all over the business and breakdown the operating costs and components. Your opinions and reviews are welcome, but trashing someone, just because they are successful at something isn't cool IMO.
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