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are you poking fun at me or serious?
Serious question.
post #167 of 229
I've never been a believer in high end cables. Except for the headphones of course.
post #168 of 229
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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
In comparisson most normal cd's sound like recorded with getto blasters. especially the commercial cd's.
No, they were mastered for ghetto blasters. That is the difference.
post #169 of 229
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Originally Posted by ken36 View Post
I've never been a believer in high end cables. Except for the headphones of course.
Strange, you hear differences in high end aftermarket cables for headphones but you don't believe in high end IC's?! quite contradictive.
post #170 of 229
Here is an experiment for all whom are still interested in whether hi-end cable makes a difference and whether RLC are the only parameters in signal prorogation in audio frequency.

1. make a 1m cable using copper, measure RLC
2. make a cable using aluminum (the length is based on the RLC calculation), matching the RLC of the copper (just do the math)
3. plug them between your source and amp
4. report back on what you hear.
post #171 of 229
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Originally Posted by markl View Post
Steve Hoffman's *cables* cost way more than most of our entire systems.
Bob Ludwig is even more audiophile obsessed than Hoffman, check out this discussion of studio gear he uses.........yes his audio cables cost more than our systems, even his patch cords!

"I use bridged Cello Performance Mark II amplifiers capable of producing something like 3,000 watt peaks. I use the new utterly amazing Transparent Audio Opus MM Speaker cables and even my patch cords are made using Transparent Audio cable"

Ludwig

That article was a few years ago so he probably has made "upgrades" since then, those Transparent speaker cables are @30k a pair
post #172 of 229
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Here is an experiment for all whom are still interested in whether hi-end cable makes a difference and whether RLC are the only parameters in signal prorogation in audio frequency.

1. make a 1m cable using copper, measure RLC
2. make a cable using aluminum (the length is based on the RLC calculation), matching the RLC of the copper (just do the math)
Yes, it is common knowledge that conductors of different materials sound different.


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3. plug them between your source and amp
This is where the problem starts, most of non-believers have only done this once!


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4. report back on what you hear.
Cables don't make a difference!

Now, I'm off to all of the different cables manufactures' websites to check out their specifications on RLC so, I can figure out which cable will fit best in my system. I won't listen to it though.
post #173 of 229

Let's Give The Mod Another Chance to Ban Me!

The simple truth is that resistance, inductance, and capacitance (R, L, and C) are the only cable parameters that affect performance in the range below radio frequencies.

In a published article even 11 of the audiophiles at Stereo Review were unable to tell the difference between expensive speaker cables and 16AWG lamp cord.

Surprised? Well you should not be.

As far as hearing, well the smallest step-change in amplitude that can be detected is about 0.3dB for a pure tone. In situations we are discussing (not in an audiologist's office) it is more realistic to say 0.5 to 1.0dB which is about a 10% change.

The smallest detectable change in frequency of a pure tone is about 0.2% in the band 500Hz-2kHz (in a booth at an audiologist's office) and this is the parameter for which the ear is most sensitive.

What's going on in these discussions of cable differences is circular reasoning (from Logics), that is the proposition to be proved (there is an actual difference among cables) is assumed at some point in the argument of which cable sounds better than another.

Let me quote a great science fiction, get that fiction, author Issac Asimov.

"Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me?

Don't you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?

No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.

One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"

"Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers.

I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be."
post #174 of 229
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Yes, it is common knowledge that conductors of different materials sound different.
Yes, but at what point is it audible?
post #175 of 229
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Originally Posted by meat01 View Post
Yes, but at what point is it audible?
When people start writing in these forums they here a difference.
post #176 of 229
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Originally Posted by mlhm5 View Post

I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be." [/i]

Especially the last part is interesting.

so, for cables you need more then proof to convince people.

proof beyond proof.........

i rather listen to the cables and decide wich one sounds best.
post #177 of 229
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Originally Posted by meat01 View Post
Yes, but at what point is it audible?
The differences are so large between some cables I don't even have to have the headphones on my head to tell a difference.
post #178 of 229
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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
Especially the last part is interesting.

so, for cables you need more then proof to convince people.

proof beyond proof.........

i rather listen to the cables and decide wich one sounds best.
If 11 "golden ear" audiophiles at Stereo Review, in a published article, could not tell the difference between 16AWG zip cord and expensive speaker cables, an average person has the right to persuaded by compelling evidence rather than by prejudice, bias, or uncritical thinking, before accepting the premise there are sonic differences between cables.
post #179 of 229
END CABLES - The truth revealed! (personal opinion only)??

I vote permanent ban!
post #180 of 229
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END CABLES - The truth revealed! (personal opinion only)??

I vote permanent ban!
x2. I vote for ban on all cable related debates (in contrast with mere discussion)
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