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think of it as the first 3 feet instead of the last 3 feet
I hope thats a joke. You could also think it's the middle three feet but that doesn't change the fact that it is the last three feet.
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Believe it or not, the rules of this "Cables" forum actually prohibit discussing double-blind tests. Hence the "DBT-free forum" designation.
post #18 of 229
If you have a $5000-10000 player, then why not buy a $1000 cable. I think as long as everything is proportionate, then the purchase is reasonable, regardless of what actual benefits are derived. I mean, there clearly is some truth to the statement that you get what you pay for.
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I hope thats a joke. You could also think it's the middle three feet but that doesn't change the fact that it is the last three feet.
There is almost no point making any argument for the power cord UNLESS one had actually 1st hand experience with a decent power cord. Conventional EE study is devoid of any analysis of the effects of cables beyond the RLC parameters.

I understand your frustration with the idea of a 3 ft power cord could possibly change the final sound of the amp/source. If you are willing to set aside any "knowledge" you have and just try some different power cords on equipments that's atleast semi hi-end, you will find out all those so called 'snake oil' are not what they seem and you will appreciate what good power , power cords, expensive cables can do for ur system.
post #20 of 229
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Conventional EE study is devoid of any analysis of the effects of cables beyond the RLC parameters.
Exactly. There is nothing else. Anything you might be hearing is a product of one of those three components.
post #21 of 229
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Exactly. There is nothing else. Anything you might be hearing is a product of one of those three components.
certainly shows your lack of knowledge of the finer points of EE. I am guessing you have either not studied EE or in your 1st year. Nothing wrong if the idea of secondary and tertiary effect of cable frustrates you. You start to deal with secondary and may be some tertiary effects when you do layout for VLSI in ASIC design.
post #22 of 229
Then go ahead and explain how those effects have anything to do with a cable at 60hz? VLSI? Were talking about current flow through a conductor. Way to go off on a tangent.
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Then go ahead and explain how those effects have anything to do with a cable at 60hz? VLSI? Were talking about power flow through a conductor.
No. 1. I am not aware of any paper addressing issues of 2ndary and tiriary effect on cable at audio frequency. lack of authority does not mean lack of truth. 2. you are prejudiced against other effects besides RLC 3. you have not said whether you are an EE or an EE student and what year you are in. 4. Its inefficient for me to explain since you can take those classes yourself.
post #24 of 229
1.) I am also unaware of the effects of the Kebler elves on cables. Doesn't mean eating their cookies make things sound better. 2.) Other effects like the Kebler elves? 3.) EE? Whats that? I learn everything from Wikipedia. 4.) I don't think you can explain them. I would be happy if you could even explain any effects L or C might have on a power cable at 60hz.
post #25 of 229
Hey lets even say you are right and there are other very small effects on power cables. How would those effects change the sound of any given piece of audio gear after the power had already gone through yards of bargain basement Romex and then transformed, rectified, filter, and regulated by a supposed very high end and well engineered piece of electronics?
post #26 of 229
come on, you have more fight in you than that, don't you?
post #27 of 229
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come on, you have more fight in you than that, don't you?
Only on Fridays.
post #28 of 229
OK...it's not like this subject hasn't been beaten to death around here.

I'm hopeful that everyone will respect the opinions of those on the other side of the argument, whatever side you may find yourself on.

BTW - In case anyone isn't already aware, we have a rule against discussing DBT in this forum. Not because it is or isn't legit, but because it tends to bring out the worst in those on the extreme ends of both camps of true believers. I for one find zealots of all stripes to be extremely annoying, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

Play nice with others...thanks.
post #29 of 229
My bad (tucks tail between legs).
post #30 of 229
Here we go again!!!!

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Originally Posted by Thelonious Monk View Post
think of it as the first 3 feet instead of the last 3 feet... most of your degradation in electricity will come from that wiring in your walls. a way around that is the wire the power lines directly into your system, which i've seen some (crazy) people do. like that one dude from the audiophile club of athens... hey, what else can he do to upgrade his system? damn rich people...
AC, same as DC, flows in closed circuits, to say they are the first or the last 3 feet is absurd, they are not the first not the last, they are exactly the center 3 feet of the whole power system, you have miles of bare cooper before, and another miles of same bare cooper after, electricity came by one conductor, pass through your amp, and keep on going through the other conductor to the same place it came from. That is till now, how a circuit works, you open the circuit you get no flow. Electricity does not arrive to your amp and stays there, not is generated at your amp and going out, it just flows throughout your amp...how the central portion of your cable is going to fix all that mess, I don't know...


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If you have a $5000-10000 player, then why not buy a $1000 cable.
Think in simply becasue you do not need it, is that not a valid reason???


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Originally Posted by chesebert View Post
Conventional EE study is devoid of any analysis of the effects of cables beyond the RLC parameters.
Beyond the RLC parameters? OK could you tell us then which are the other parameters that proves the differences people say the heard??? BTW for the skeptics the rest are beyond the common sense, so what? And provides absolutelly nothing other that I hear this and that...that doesn't offer any more valid input neither...

Also guys keep in mind that if there is a set of variables that could prove the differences, in a physical way, and you can repeat the test, and get the same results, you have found the way of creating the optimal cable, no need to go any further, get those optimal parameters, or the combination of them, and you will have the best cable ever made, but please let us know which are those parameters to consider, as we are all in the dark here.....
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