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post #16 of 30
I don't judge people on music preference. If I did, people would be justified in calling me a thorough nut.

Now, on the subject of emotional and lyrics, not the same line, although for alot of music lyrics are the main source of emotion.

Alot of the things asked are considered though when giving recommendations, but only by some people. You will notice at least one post per one of those threads that recommends keeping all the requirements in mind, but trolling is inevitable. Those people who really think about this are the same people who are reading this thread, nothing gets accomplished besides me and you argueing.
There are alot of things that really are going on more and more in this forum as this place is getting more popular that just don't help us make this community more effective, but nevertheless I do enjoy that new members always bring some interesting ideas here.
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
There are headphones that are marketed toward amateur radio operators - like the Kenwood HS-5.

fwiw, if a headphone had recessed mids, harsh highs, and flabby bass, it could be difficult to appreciate the vocals.

There's a track that i recently use to compare headphones - an outdoor recording apparently near a campfire, largely a-capella, and most of the people singing don't have particularly good singing voices. Some of the harmony is more than a little flat, but taken as a whole it's still a pleasant listen. For me at least.

Not all headphones allow me to hear each voice clearly.
True, although damn, that is quite an extreme situation lol.
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fwiw, if a headphone had recessed mids, harsh highs, and flabby bass, it could be difficult to appreciate the vocals.
I can't imagine that being pleasant to listen to at all... xD
post #18 of 30
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True, although damn, that is quite an extreme situation lol.
Silver Mt. Zion isn't for everyone. (no, it's not religious music)

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I can't imagine that being pleasant to listen to at all... xD
And yet people buy SkullCandy headphones left and right.
post #19 of 30
Skullcandy users don't come asking for good sound, bose/sony users do =]
post #20 of 30
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Skullcandy users don't come asking for good sound, bose/sony users do =]
Yeah.

Speaking of which, anybody wanna buy an old pair of MDR-V600's?
post #21 of 30
The only way to find one's "sound" is to try lots of different sound signatures. It's pointless to ask people who have no idea what their sound is to describe their sound.

Provided you can afford it, there's nothing wrong with someone going down a few dead-end streets as that's the way new roads open up for you. On the other hand, some just want some stuff that they'd be reasonably happy with and not to pay over $100 in the process, which is fine too.
post #22 of 30
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Silver Mt. Zion isn't for everyone. (no, it's not religious music)



And yet people buy SkullCandy headphones left and right.
wooohooo silver mt zion is awesome
three galloping dogs kills me.

i just wanted to share the perspective of someone who came here for advise and has started on the journey of head-fi,,,

if i had never come here, i might have bough a pair of skull candies, but because some very cool people jjcha in particular, explained some things about headphones to me, then i started trying different pairs, and have lead up to my most recent purchase, a pair of dt 770s, now i'm addicted and can tell what you all are talking about most of the time..... i will make life easy on myself and completely ignore electrostats. however, at first i think recommendations can be overwhelming and missunderstood, and honestly, if i hadn't been so persistant,, i would have been totally turned off by my first pair of good headphones (sa3000s) that i might have gone back to a pair of apple in ears,, but i was persistant, and now i've got e500s a 325 and dt770's and i really want a pair of es7's..... i'm even playing with my beyer pads on my 325's, and as soon as i can find an extra set,, i have modding to do.

i'm not sure what my point is,, but people will either figure out what more they want, or they will be content with what they've got, theres a kid at my school that preferes his skullcandies to both my dt's and my 325s, don't ask me how,, probably just pride, but whatever. there's another kid that tried on my dt's and said "where's the bass" (he listens to qc2's) out of the 3 of us i'm the only one that listens to classical, or anything better than 128kps.. some people will care more than others, just the fact that your willing to answer questions for people who don't know what they want is great, but remember to respond educationally and not sarcastically.
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
The only way to find one's "sound" is to try lots of different sound signatures. It's pointless to ask people who have no idea what their sound is to describe their sound.

Provided you can afford it, there's nothing wrong with someone going down a few dead-end streets as that's the way new roads open up for you. On the other hand, some just want some stuff that they'd be reasonably happy with and not to pay over $100 in the process, which is fine too.
Music selection

Listening environment

Equipment used

Price

Music is the only way to know. The new person has no idea of the potential sound a hp can give to define their personal taste or tonal preference. The details of the music gives the requirements for the hp. What they are listening to tells you whether it is (CSNY) acoustic/electric rock or (Opeth) death metal rock.

Listening environment is important as well. I wouldn't expect reference quality in the gym.

No since buying a GS-1000 for an Ipod.

Cost is typically the biggest deciding factor.
post #24 of 30
i think a good indication of what they like would be to ask what they had before. most of them have had an ipod + ibuds. ask if they had bass boost on.

if they had logitech speakers, they would be bass heads (most anyways)

if they liked their old sony mdr-v600s, suggest a dt770pro right away.

but in all seriousness, i think the hd555 is a great all around budget headphone to get, no matter the music taste. if it lacks in bass, put on the bass boost! price i think should be the most important factor, second to open/closed headphones.
post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by uraflit View Post
i think a good indication of what they like would be to ask what they had before. most of them have had an ipod + ibuds. ask if they had bass boost on.

if they had logitech speakers, they would be bass heads (most anyways)

if they liked their old sony mdr-v600s, suggest a dt770pro right away.

but in all seriousness, i think the hd555 is a great all around budget headphone to get, no matter the music taste. if it lacks in bass, put on the bass boost! price i think should be the most important factor, second to open/closed headphones.
I wish hd555 was that easily great. I am sitting here not sure if I like my hd595 or Stax sr-80 (which is old as hell and got some age issues) better >.< The differences in the low end spectrum of things are even more drastic, and while to you and me hd595 (similar to hd555) sound signature is nice, some people would get much more turned on by Grados... plus adding bass through boosting can introduce distortion - and that can get ugly.
post #26 of 30
i agree with you. however, i think that those seeking advice should also be more specific regarding their queries. they should include whether they are using an amp, what music they listen to, and the sound they like. questions you were mentioning points out to the person seeking advice not saying everything needed for a head-fier to make a decent suggestion
post #27 of 30

Trust your own ears!!

Advice seekers. Their just that. Seeking opinion. That's the great thing about advice posts. To accumulate as MANY opinions as possible. Perhaps the only (2) cavaet's to be presented with each post. That the Advice given is ONLY opinions. And second. And the most important. IS TO TRUST YOUR OWN EARS.
In doing so. They will make their own conclusions. And self-determine. What deviation in the frequency spectrum is plausible for them. In the end. All playback systems offer colorations to Music. You have to pick your own Poison. And DEADENDS. Yep! You'll have those. Experience isn't the best teacher. It's the only Teacher.
post #28 of 30
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post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
Not only that, I find that no one headphone is great for all the kinds of music i listen to.



Yes, I realize that i have a problem.


Hey Eric, nice pic. It's like a reenactment of my pic from the 8 European dynamics comparison thread, except I put my shiny red sleeping bag behind mine to give a greater bling effect, and used a vacuum cleaner rod and not a handrail to hold them.

But I can't make out what those dark ones are on the far right of your pic. Fill out your head-fi profile, man!

And hey, if you get a chance, why not post some impressions on the difference between the original DT990 and DT880 while you're at it. Not here, of course, but either in a new thread or in my comparison thread, if you like.
post #30 of 30
The descriptions of the different sound signatures that are on Headfi are astounding (mostly) in their accuracy.

The difficulty is when someone asks what should I buy for X number of dollars when the person buying doesn't really know what they want their music to sound like.

Also, if someone asked for a neutral headphone with accuracy in mind what then? After all, if a headphone was neutral (ish) then the recording could be blamed for lack of bass, treble extension, whatever.

I sometimes feel that headphone users like to put a sound signature onto all of their music to enhance enjoyment and so change headphones for other types of music in order to 'enhance' something else.

A neutral set of headphones and tone controls might do the same. So maybe the best all rounder would be to buy a 'neutral' headphone that has no emphasis. That should be the aim of headphone manufacturers.

Then, what is neutral to Sony is different to neutral from Deutsch Gramaphone.

My head hurts.

Ian
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