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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by Stax-i-nox View Post
This company is putting out some incredible sounding speakers for not much mullah$$$$

The 626's are great sounding. Here is a link to the site and also a link to a review just posted on Positve Feedback.

www.vmpsaudio.com

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue30/emm.htm
Uhh, VMPS does make nice speakers, but even Brian cheney himself wouldn't recommend the kind of low-powered amps we're talking about here.

On the other hand, if you've got a nice high-current SS amp, a pair of RM30's with a Larger subwoofer (or two) is not a bad way to go at all.
post #32 of 56
coral betas? currently a pair of beta 10s drivers on ebay australia for $1600AUD ~$1200US

i've got a pair of beta 8s in the bass reflex box, hopefully my firstwatt f2 gets built very soon...
post #33 of 56
Agree with Sovkiller here.

The same drivers used for these speakers are available to the DIY community for around $100 each if I remember correctly. There is no crossover, so you're basically paying a huge amount of money for the cabinets. Personally I would go the DIY route... and have, with wonderful results. I fully agree that above the $500 mark, speakers will beat the best headphones, so long as you pick the right one.

People have told me that the Fostex have an edge over the Hemp drivers, and the Coral Betas are even better. But the Coral Betas are insanely expensive at $600 a pair!
post #34 of 56
why would these be my next fix? where's the headband ?
post #35 of 56
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Originally Posted by cotdt View Post
Agree with Sovkiller here.

The same drivers used for these speakers are available to the DIY community for around $100 each if I remember correctly. There is no crossover, so you're basically paying a huge amount of money for the cabinets. Personally I would go the DIY route... and have, with wonderful results. I fully agree that above the $500 mark, speakers will beat the best headphones, so long as you pick the right one.

People have told me that the Fostex have an edge over the Hemp drivers, and the Coral Betas are even better. But the Coral Betas are insanely expensive at $600 a pair!
I think we are underestimating how involved it is to make a decent cabinet that will have minimal coloration and resonance. Sure I could buy some wood or something and start hacking away and maybe after a month or so that pieces would somewhat form together to vaguely represent a speaker enclosure, but I know for me it will sound like crap. I haven't even gotten to damping and bracing the damn thing either!

So yes looking at it from a purely cost standpoint it might make sense, but from a labor and time perspective and taking into account the quality of workmanship, for me and others it is best to just buy the damn thing already made. Life is way too short and I don't have a month or two to spend on making a crappy cabinet that will sound like ***** when there are capable builders out there who will build the complete product with warranty for a reasonable price that people are willing to pay.

To those who have the skills, congrats, your awesome and you rock, I wish I had your skills thats for sure. If you saw me with a soldering gun you would understand But to some of us its easier and in the long run better just to spend our hard earned money on having the product professionally done.
post #36 of 56
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My night ended about 2:20 PM, which is way too late for me to be staying up. But my wife is out of town so I took the opportunity to play with gear and placement of speakers while I could.

By the end of the night I had moved the speakers another ~2.5 - 3 feet out from the wall, so I was kind of in a near-field listening possition. Very nice. Vocals were a bit more clear, and the soundsage grew bigger on the Z dimention (i.e. depth).

Went through my normal round of test stuff: Patricia Barbor; Diana Krall Live in Paris, Brubeck's Take 5, Dixie Chicks Home, some old Diana Krall (Impulse lable), Eric Clapten live, Eagles Hell Freezes Over, everything sounded fantastic.

As far as DIY and price, I strickly look at what I'm getting for the money spent. Based on every other speaker I've owned or heard, these sould way better than any $2000 speaker I've ever heard. And at least for my small room, I've heard several speakers in the $10 - $20K pair range that I'm not sure would do any better -- especially from a low powered amp.

After owning balanced hd650s and moving to K1000s -- for me, it was like finding a whole other class of performance. I have no desire to spend more on headphones.

I feel the same way about the Omegas -- they are in a different class compared to the gear they replaced. I have no desire to look any further.
post #37 of 56
have you tried these with the first watt f1? I tried the f1 last week and was pleased with the sound it threw out there, much like the thoughts on these amps with the k1000. THe f1 was more detailed with every instrument finely carved out and the sig sounded more tubelike and warmer. I have not lived with the f1 though to see if it's strenghts become weaknesses over time. What are your thoughts?
post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by recstar24 View Post
I think we are underestimating how involved it is to make a decent cabinet that will have minimal coloration and resonance.
Oh, yeah, building speakers that actually sound great takes lots of work. And unless you are an expert, the end product will likely sound bad. Heck, many speaker companies make terrible speakers, too.

On the other hand, a good open-baffle speaker is within reach of more "average" DIY'er. For example, look at this effort using wooden doors as open baffle!
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hu...es/118898.html

And a more polished effort here.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hu...es/119958.html
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by Jon L View Post
Oh, yeah, building speakers that actually sound great takes lots of work. And unless you are an expert, the end product will likely sound bad. Heck, many speaker companies make terrible speakers, too.

On the other hand, a good open-baffle speaker is withing reach of more "average" DIY'er. For example, look at this effort using wooden doors as open baffle!
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hu...es/118898.html

And a more polished effort here.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hu...es/119958.html
Thanks for the links, the 2nd one looks really nice. I think the simplest and easiest option for myself or anyone else wanting to DIY would be finding the best driver you can and loading it in an open baffle like the ones above. I would choose a P-Audio 15" coaxial driver, there is a site that has some open baffle designs as well.
post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
have you tried these with the first watt f1? I tried the f1 last week and was pleased with the sound it threw out there, much like the thoughts on these amps with the k1000. THe f1 was more detailed with every instrument finely carved out and the sig sounded more tubelike and warmer. I have not lived with the f1 though to see if it's strenghts become weaknesses over time. What are your thoughts?
No have not tried with F1. let us know what you think when you get more time on the F1.
post #41 of 56
this topic is very intriguing... i'll keep Omega Loudspeakers in mind when i have enough cash to dish out on nice speakers. i might buy the Mini-Me to sample their sound, single-driver speakers are a nice, minimalistic approach that i'm a fan of... hell, they might even work as studio monitors if i'm in that mood!

very beautiful and elegant to boot..
post #42 of 56
just for alittle DIY full range action. Horn loaded fostex
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...9&pagenumber=4
post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by J-Pak View Post
Thanks for the thorough reply. My worry with single driver speakers was always with the midrange colorations. I wanted to get an Abbey at first then heard one in real life which turned me off them.
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Originally Posted by Alwayswantmore View Post
Never heard the Abby myself. But from everything I read the Hemps -- especially the new 8" hemp -- is a very special driver. It's also nice to get rid of the crossover so sound from a given instrument is not being broken into two or three pieces to render the music.
the C&C Abbeys have a different sound than the Omega Hemp line. While I like the Abbeys their bass is falls off in the 50s and the mids are more forward than the omegas. The Abbeys have an amazing lifelike tone but it's not for all. The Omega SuperHemp has considerably more bass and get down to around 40 so it covers the bass well for my tastes in music (rock and jazz).

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Originally Posted by Alwayswantmore View Post
No have not tried with F1. let us know what you think when you get more time on the F1.
I am hoping to arrange an extended slepp over for the F1 from a local headfier once my balanced cdp comes back from the shop.
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post

I am hoping to arrange an extended slepp over for the F1 from a local headfier once my balanced cdp comes back from the shop.
He must be a hell of a nice guy to let you borrow the only amp he currently owns that can drive speakers. Probably the kind of guy you would buy a bunch of beers for at a the Langerado Music Festival this weekend if you both happened to be there.
post #45 of 56
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Originally Posted by recstar24 View Post
loading it in an open baffle
what about closed boxes for nearfield monitors?
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