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post #31 of 38
mlhm5, how come you can't debunk fkclo's experience? You seem to ignore anyone's personal experience and wave around your lofty science card.

Science isn't always right. That's why things are called "theories".
post #32 of 38
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
~SPECIFICATIONS~
10 Mhz- 49
100 Mhz- 48
200 Mhz- 62
400 Mhz- 53
800 Mhz- 54
900 Mhz-50
501 Ghz- 49 2.4 Ghz- 53 (802.11B)
3.5 Ghz- 54
5.8 Ghz- 57 (802.11A)
7.5 Ghz- 61
10 Ghz- 66
17 Ghz- 55
I just want to point out that the audio spectrum is well below 1Mhz. These attenuation ratings are for frequencies 10mhz and above.
post #33 of 38
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ERS paper is precisely why many think the "high-end" cable market is all bunk.

All claims surrounding this product, which BTW are made by people with no technical credentials, are pure snake oil and are completely unsupportable by any laboratory measurements or by ABX subjective testing, or any other observable means subject to scientific study.
Why are you so obesessed with being a troll and advancing your particular brand of absolutism in every thread (routinely violating the DBT-free rule)? Why must you constantly thread krap? Regardless of whether you have some valid points, you make them in a most annoying, insulting, and over the top manner, clearly designed to inflame people. Why do you feel compelled to act in this manner? Frankly, it appears you either need some therapy, or emotionally you're just a child and need to grow up. Until you do, why you don't you just leave this forum and grow elsewhere. There are plenty of smart and courteous folks on this forum who are able to advance your particular point of view without behaving like you do.
post #34 of 38
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Originally Posted by mlhm5 View Post
ERS paper is precisely why many think the "high-end" cable market is all bunk.

All claims surrounding this product, which BTW are made by people with no technical credentials, are pure snake oil and are completely unsupportable by any laboratory measurements or by ABX subjective testing, or any other observable means subject to scientific study.
mlhm: have you tried using ERS-paper yourself ???

Or are you just ignorant and know everything better than anybody else ??

If you actually have tried it, then by all means, do express your opinion, otherwise shhhh..
post #35 of 38
people with visions and ideas are the backbone of science.....
Maybe Noel dorobek was a little off but how about...

Copernicus was considered as being mad...
Jesus was crucified..
Jeanne d'arc was burned..
Socrates was forced to drink poison..

all because they had ideas an insight that did not please the common people...
post #36 of 38
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Science isn't always right. That's why things are called "theories".
i'm not taking mlhm5's side here, per se, simply because of his antagonistic demeanor...

but the second part your statement above is simply wrong. "theory" is the term awarded only to the most robustly supported and highly developed ideas in science. there must be mountains of evidence before anything can be called a "theory" in science. the theory of gravity, for instance. or even more well-understood and supported is the theory of evolution.

as for the first part of your statement... science isn't always right, but it is very good at self-correcting.
post #37 of 38
"With Power comes Responsibility."

The problem with ERS paper IME is that "works" too well. If used in larger quantities than needed, closer to components than necessary, it will suck out too much life and sparkle from the music.

Currently, I can only tolerate about a square inch of ERS paper, taped a few centimeters away from my DAC chip. Just like anything in audio, it's just another tool and spice to be used sparingly to arrive at the final stew...
post #38 of 38

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"With Power comes Responsibility."

The problem with ERS paper IME is that "works" too well. If used in larger quantities than needed, closer to components than necessary, it will suck out too much life and sparkle from the music.

Currently, I can only tolerate about a square inch of ERS paper, taped a few centimeters away from my DAC chip. Just like anything in audio, it's just another tool and spice to be used sparingly to arrive at the final stew...
If more ERS Paper makes it worse then there are problems elsewhere in the system. If the cables are muddy then the edginess from EMI will compensate for it...


0) I have a 2 meter Nordost Valhalla for my computer which I have modded from 3 conductors per signal to 2 conductors. Synergy was great.

1) But then I wrapped half of it with ERS Paper. Bass sounded crazy heavy, it was like a new power cord. The increase in heaviness was about 50% and the reduction of detail was about 5%, but the problem was it sounded way too warm and kind of dull since the detail wasn't emphasized. But the more I listened the better it sounded, it became addicting.

2) Then I disconnected a conductor from the Valhalla power cord so it was half the thickness. It became unbearably bright but had more detail than ever before, the improvement was HUGE. After an hour I couldn't stand the brightness anymore. It went from one extreme to another just by modding the Valhalla!

3) Then I wrapped the 2nd half of the Valhalla with ERS Paper and now it was warm again, it's little dull because the emphasized distinctness is gone. But there is still more low-level detail. Transients are sandier than before. The unbearable brightness had transformed into sand!! It sounds amazing.
1 conductor Valhalla wrapped in ERS Paper is better than 2 conductors without any ERS.


0) Nude 2 conductor Valhalla: Little edgy. Perfect heaviness.
1) Wrapped half of Valhalla with ERS: Too heavy bass, too warm. Illusion of dullness. Attack and decay sound cut off because everything is heavier.
2) Modded Valhalla to half size: Unbearably bright and thin, transients sound broken. More detail. The edgy whiteness gives illusion of blacker background. Attack and decay are no longer cut off. New world of detail has opened up. Everything sounds way too thin, but scary black.
3) Wrapped other half of Valhalla with ERS: Warm and sandy transients. No brightness, but no fake black background either. Same detail as above but not emphasized. Longer attack and decay than ever! Same heaviness as nude 2 conductor Valhalla but with more bass information, detail and warmth.


Conclusion: Thinner cable wrapped in ERS has more resolution than thicker cable without ERS. Bass heaviness ends up being the same!
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