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post #46 of 85
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Originally Posted by OptionTrader View Post
Thanks for the responses. The Audiogon set is already sold. I saw one in Germany but the seller will not ship to the US. I'll keep looking.
http://search.ebay.de/search/search....trypage=search

3 pairs.
post #47 of 85
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Originally Posted by JXBJXB View Post
It's actually in the same issue - a multi-page rebuttal from AKG. The AKG product manager basically accuses the reviewer of having a dome-shaped head that causes the K1000 to not align properly with his ear canals. Pretty funny stuff, really.

"quit your job, DOME-HEAD!"

could someone find the issue number? i'd like to find a way to read that issue...
post #48 of 85

K1000 and the BAP 1000

I am curious what the K1000 sounds like with the AKG BAP 1000...who has heard them? Granted, it's a DSP processor AND amp, and the online manual says that in order to get the best sound, you should run the k1000's with your speaker amp and have the BAP 1000 in line, rather than use it as an amp. .......That is one of 2 devices that AKG made specifically for the K1000. When I do a search on the web for the BAP1000, not much comes up. I did find a dutch rag that really liked it paired with the K1000, and 1 post that did not like it as a stand alone amp for the K1000.

Does anybody have the amp AKG made for the K1000?.....the SAC? Of course, there are all of the these Head-Fi older reviews:


For additional reviews from more experienced ears than mine, see Jan's initial review of AKG1000:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2862

Jan's Review of SAC amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=2&tid=1808

An exceptionally detailed and comprehensive review of AKG 1000, including short comparisons using various amps:
http://www.acidhardware.com/reviews/akg/index.shtml

Todd's (from Headroom) review of AKG 1000 with Antique Sound Labs AQ 1005DT tube power amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2447

Harry's review (via Jan) comparing AKG 1000 to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...days=2&stime=0

Jan's subsequent view of the AKG 1000 compared to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...me=0&fpa ge=2

M Rael's excellent description of AKG's sound comparing it to Sony MDR-F1
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...days=2&stime=0


Gordie, I think you are right...if they had marketed it better, they might still be in production.
post #49 of 85
Sadly not!
Or else the K1000 might still have been in production

At least there would have been more of them out there, which would have kept their going rate lower than the current $1000...
post #50 of 85
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Originally Posted by Thelonious Monk View Post
"quit your job, DOME-HEAD!"

could someone find the issue number? i'd like to find a way to read that issue...
Vol 14, #3, March, 1991. p148-152 and 221-225.

PM me, I'll scan it for you.
post #51 of 85
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Originally Posted by Stax-i-nox View Post
I am curious what the K1000 sounds like with the AKG BAP 1000...who has heard them? Granted, it's a DSP processor AND amp, and the online manual says that in order to get the best sound, you should run the k1000's with your speaker amp and have the BAP 1000 in line, rather than use it as an amp. .......That is one of 2 devices that AKG made specifically for the K1000. When I do a search on the web for the BAP1000, not much comes up. I did find a dutch rag that really liked it paired with the K1000, and 1 post that did not like it as a stand alone amp for the K1000.

Does anybody have the amp AKG made for the K1000?.....the SAC? Of course, there are all of the these Head-Fi older reviews:


For additional reviews from more experienced ears than mine, see Jan's initial review of AKG1000:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2862

Jan's Review of SAC amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=2&tid=1808

An exceptionally detailed and comprehensive review of AKG 1000, including short comparisons using various amps:
http://www.acidhardware.com/reviews/akg/index.shtml

Todd's (from Headroom) review of AKG 1000 with Antique Sound Labs AQ 1005DT tube power amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2447

Harry's review (via Jan) comparing AKG 1000 to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...days=2&stime=0

Jan's subsequent view of the AKG 1000 compared to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...me=0&fpa ge=2

M Rael's excellent description of AKG's sound comparing it to Sony MDR-F1
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...days=2&stime=0


Gordie, I think you are right...if they had marketed it better, they might still be in production.
Most of your links are dead.
post #52 of 85
Yeah, I noticed that just now...those came off of a Google search.
post #53 of 85
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Originally Posted by Stax-i-nox View Post
I am curious what the K1000 sounds like with the AKG BAP 1000...who has heard them? Granted, it's a DSP processor AND amp, and the online manual says that in order to get the best sound, you should run the k1000's with your speaker amp and have the BAP 1000 in line, rather than use it as an amp. .......That is one of 2 devices that AKG made specifically for the K1000. When I do a search on the web for the BAP1000, not much comes up. I did find a dutch rag that really liked it paired with the K1000, and 1 post that did not like it as a stand alone amp for the K1000.

Does anybody have the amp AKG made for the K1000?.....the SAC? Of course, there are all of the these Head-Fi older reviews:


For additional reviews from more experienced ears than mine, see Jan's initial review of AKG1000:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2862

Jan's Review of SAC amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=2&tid=1808

An exceptionally detailed and comprehensive review of AKG 1000, including short comparisons using various amps:
http://www.acidhardware.com/reviews/akg/index.shtml

Todd's (from Headroom) review of AKG 1000 with Antique Sound Labs AQ 1005DT tube power amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2447

Harry's review (via Jan) comparing AKG 1000 to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...days=2&stime=0

Jan's subsequent view of the AKG 1000 compared to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...me=0&fpa ge=2

M Rael's excellent description of AKG's sound comparing it to Sony MDR-F1
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.ph...days=2&stime=0


Gordie, I think you are right...if they had marketed it better, they might still be in production.

i remember seening some 1 saying BAP 1000 and K1000 produce the best sound. the member resides in europe pretty sure he owns the BAP1000 but never did a indepth review on the unit.

on a different note...i had a chance to A/B a 10XXX serial K1000 against a 2XXX the other day and the 10XXX sounded thin and bright compared to the one with the older serial. the imaging and detail remains the same though. In the end we drawn the conclusion the updated drivers extended the K1000 flauds with brighter thinner representation compared to the early drivers.

does any one else here own both a newer/older model and agree with what my ears are telling me? old serial > new serial ??
post #54 of 85
I believe SupermansEars has both old and new, plus the BAP but I could be wrong.
post #55 of 85
Let me chime in with 2 cents:

The K1000, even though it has gained somewhat of a cult status in the last couple of years, will never achieved the same kind of cult status of say, the Orpheus, R10, or L3000. And the reason is simple: it is not a traditional headphone like the Orpheus/R10/L3000 are.

Think about it: if you are going after the best possible headphone experience, you won't get it from the K1000, because they are designed as earspeakers. Most people who can afford things like the Orpheus/R10/L3000s are mostly likely people who already have a killer speaker rig as well. What they are looking for is a distinctly headphone experience, and the K1000s can't provide them.

They occupy the weird niche between headphones and speakers, so those who want a headphone experience don't really need them, and those who already have good speakers don't need the speaker-like qualities of the K1000s.

So the only people left are people like me, who, for whatever reason, loves the way the K1000s sound and are willing to do whatever is needed to get them to sound the best. Consequently, their systems are usually more unconventional than usual, which means that it takes way more effort and research to find out what works best.

And since you can't really show the true potential of the K1000s in meet-conditions, most people don't get an extensive chance to audition. So what we are left with is a small group of people who are crazy enough to find the best synergy of components. So this is why I believe that the K1000s will never reach the same kind of cult-status of other discontinued top of the line traditional headphones.
post #56 of 85
Looking back to the original question and what it implies, I started wondering. The K1000 was available for 17 years or so and sold 12,000 pairs. Didn't get universally great revews and were unorthodox to say the least. They were also very expensive and not well known or easy to find.

Then I looked at the Grado RS-1. Universally good reviews wih many accolades. Two thirds the cost of the K1000 and unusual looking but fairly standard cans. These have been available for over 11 years now and are well known and easier to find.

Given the Grados obvious advantages I wonder if they have sold that much better than the K1000. I know the serials aren't very high and I know they didn't start adding serials until later so I'd love to know the real figures because on a year-by-year basis I'm doubtful that even a very well regarded, though still expensive phone like the RS-1 does all that well.
post #57 of 85
well without doing any research or looking at the thread

I'd say because they didn't appeal to the market.
post #58 of 85
The K-1000s was a rare, carte blanche, balls-to-the-wall effort at state-of-the-art and marketed originally to engineers and studio people (read the White Paper on the Austrian AKG site).

When properly driven (and it's not that hard) the AKG K-1000 beats the pants off any transducer (read headphone or speaker) I have heard. In other words, unless you hear the AKG K-1000 you haven't really heard what's possible in high end audio period. Its approach to sound reproduction is radical, unique and executed brilliantly. It throws down the gauntlet as far as what is possible in hifi.

That said, I believe the K-1000 was developed before AKG was bought by Harmon International (someone correct me if I am wrong.) At that point AKG was a more professionaly oriented company, and I believe that the K-1000 was aimed in part at sound engineers, producers, and others who were the customers for the companies microphones. In otherwords, AKG didn't have the same "consumer" customer base as say Grado or Sennheiser.

Things have obviously changed thus the discontinuence of the K-1000 and the unveiling of the 601 and 701 -- which are far more conventional than the K-1000. I don't know if AKG is selling a lot more headphones these days, but I think the K-1000 is going to be a cult item for into the next century.
post #59 of 85
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Originally Posted by humanflyz View Post
Let me chime in with 2 cents:

The K1000, even though it has gained somewhat of a cult status in the last couple of years, will never achieved the same kind of cult status of say, the Orpheus, R10, or L3000. And the reason is simple: it is not a traditional headphone like the Orpheus/R10/L3000 are.

Think about it: if you are going after the best possible headphone experience, you won't get it from the K1000, because they are designed as earspeakers. Most people who can afford things like the Orpheus/R10/L3000s are mostly likely people who already have a killer speaker rig as well. What they are looking for is a distinctly headphone experience, and the K1000s can't provide them.

They occupy the weird niche between headphones and speakers, so those who want a headphone experience don't really need them, and those who already have good speakers don't need the speaker-like qualities of the K1000s.
Hey, I agree with you.

However, I think the reason the K-1000 has cult status, and a lasting one at that, is because there's nothing else like them. The earspeaker experience is completely different, and is wonderful. That's the reason for the cult.

With 12,000 on the market, it'll never be as coveted as the Orpheus or the Joe Grado models. However, with that many out there, a whole lot more people can own them. If there were 12,000 HP-1000 pairs on the market, it'd have the same sort of cult following. This many kills the collector aspect, but they are much more acceptable.

The RS-1 was mentioned earlier. I think the serial numbers are only up to around 4,000 on those. I think it'd be safe to say that there are fewer RS-1s on the market than K-1000s.

If anyone really wants a pair, I think it'd be wise to run a small ad in the back of professional recording industry magazines. That was the intended audience, and I'm sure there are a lot of unused pairs out there people would be happy to sell.
post #60 of 85
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Originally Posted by Firevortex View Post
i remember seening some 1 saying BAP 1000 and K1000 produce the best sound. the member resides in europe pretty sure he owns the BAP1000 but never did a indepth review on the unit.

on a different note...i had a chance to A/B a 10XXX serial K1000 against a 2XXX the other day and the 10XXX sounded thin and bright compared to the one with the older serial. the imaging and detail remains the same though. In the end we drawn the conclusion the updated drivers extended the K1000 flauds with brighter thinner representation compared to the early drivers.

does any one else here own both a newer/older model and agree with what my ears are telling me? old serial > new serial ??
For serial number comparison read here: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222684

In my opinion the popularity of the K1000 started when someone discovered them amped by the F1 and Red wine Sig.30. Probably all the best performances of this cans only in these last times are well known.

I had for many times the K1000 and regulary sold, but now, after a long research for his partner, I can say that, if well amped (not so simple to find the very best), this can offers performances no any other cans can do.
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