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Can you hear the difference between LAME V0 and Lossless?

post #1 of 73
Thread Starter 
After reading this thread I got interested in how many people can actually hear the difference between the two.

If you vote "yes" please post an ABX test result. You will have to make sure that you use replaygain or mp3gain to get rid of the differences there might be in the volume. If you do the test also make sure that you encode the mp3 straight from the file encoded by FLAC. The test results will have to consist of 10 attempts at least.

If you want to practice before voting you can look up a lot of artifacts in the following link: http://ff123.net/index.html

This is a public poll. This means that other users will be able to see what you voted. I hope you will only post genuine test results.

Good luck!

EDIT: As far as I can see it's not clear that IF you vote YES you should provide an ABX result. If you do not provide an ABX test result you might as well vote NO. Thank you.
post #2 of 73
EnOYiN, you haven't voted in your own poll!
post #3 of 73
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Febs View Post
EnOYiN, you haven't voted in your own poll!
Writing a text file so that it looks genuine isn't that easy. Trust me.

I will post a reply ofcourse. I'll just say "no" and be done with it.

Now for real, I am ABXing right now. It will take some time though, since I will need to concentrate. I've got other results stored, but I wanted to make sure that I am actually still able to do it.

But my result doesn't matter so much. Yours does. So, come on with those ABX results!
post #4 of 73
What's the exact command line arguments for lame V0? I want to try this.
post #5 of 73
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Originally Posted by Cid View Post
What's the exact command line arguments for lame V0? I want to try this.
This should do it:

LAME -V0 input.wav output.mp3

where

input.wav = the name of the input file
output.mp3 = the name of the output file
post #6 of 73
i voted no

at least not using my current gear
post #7 of 73
Thread Starter 
So, here it is. I will have to admit that the first time I tried I got 9/10. I am not going to post that for obvious reasons.

I tried again and (thank god - phew) I got 10/10:

foo_abx 1.3.1 report
foobar2000 v0.9.4.2
2007/02/19 19:09:26

File A: D:\ABX\Sacrificed Sons\07 - Sacrificed Sons.flac
File B: D:\ABX\Sacrificed Sons\07 - Sacrificed Sons.mp3

19:09:26 : Test started.
19:10:16 : 01/01 50.0%
19:11:07 : 02/02 25.0%
19:11:56 : 03/03 12.5%
19:13:03 : 04/04 6.3%
19:13:45 : 05/05 3.1%
19:14:02 : 06/06 1.6%
19:14:34 : 07/07 0.8%
19:15:28 : 08/08 0.4%
19:16:05 : 09/09 0.2%
19:17:16 : 10/10 0.1%
19:17:18 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

This test has been done using a DT880 and a Porta Corda MkIII-USB. (and yes I did use replaygain - Scan Per-File Track Gain)

Edit: I am using ASIO4All btw.
post #8 of 73
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cid View Post
What's the exact command line arguments for lame V0? I want to try this.
The easiest way to convert a FLAC to LAME v0 is in Foobar. Select a file and press "Convert to..."
post #9 of 73
I voted no too, I don't think I'd be able to decipher a V0 LAME file w/ a lossless file w/ my gear at the moment.
post #10 of 73
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by camille View Post
I voted no too, I don't think I'd be able to decipher a V0 LAME file w/ a lossless file w/ my gear at the moment.
At least you did vote. It's something to be able to admit it. There are other people who looked at this thread without voting. They couldn't discern between the two either, but were too afraid to admit it.

YOU ********.
post #11 of 73
Another no vote here. I've tried many times to hear the difference (using various sound cards, headphones and amps) and I just can't hear the difference.
post #12 of 73
Well, this time I did it properly and used replay gain. Now one thing I admit I did twice accidentally, was click without listening and that's how I managed to get one wrong.

foo_abx 1.3.1 report
foobar2000 v0.9.4.2
2007/02/19 19:50:47

File A: D:\Music\Anime & Jpop etc\Sailor Moon - Songs From the Hit TV Series (USA version) [R2-72267]\01 - Sailor Moon Theme.flac
File B: C:\Documents and Settings\xuse\Desktop\Sailor Moon Theme.mp3

19:50:47 : Test started.
19:51:23 : 01/01 50.0%
19:52:05 : 02/02 25.0%
19:52:49 : 03/03 12.5%
19:53:57 : 04/04 6.3%
19:55:04 : 05/05 3.1%
19:55:52 : 06/06 1.6%
19:56:31 : 07/07 0.8%
19:56:52 : 08/08 0.4%
19:57:00 : 08/09 2.0%
19:57:33 : 09/10 1.1%
19:58:14 : 10/11 0.6%
19:58:20 : 11/12 0.3%
19:58:48 : 12/13 0.2%
19:59:23 : 13/14 0.1%
20:00:45 : 14/15 0.0%
20:00:48 : Test finished.

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Total: 14/15 (0.0%)
post #13 of 73
Thread Starter 
And another winner. Congrats.
post #14 of 73
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Originally Posted by EnOYiN View Post
And another winner. Congrats.
Not happy at all! It's quite hard and requires a good bit of attention to notice. It's also a lot easier to notice if you pay attention to the background instruments, at least that's how I'm able to tell. Maybe the new DAC I'm getting will make it a bit easier!
post #15 of 73
Thread Starter 
My DAC/ amp does make it quite a lot easier. If I do not use the DAC I will have to listen through my crappy laptop output. And let me tell you; that does make quite a lot of difference when listening to headphones with somewhat higher impendance.
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