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post #9916 of 18422
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Originally Posted by kintsaki View Post
Compromises... Compromises...

The O2 may be one of the best phones and with the best bass but it has its problems and is a far cry from real live music.

For one the etch (from the planar nature?).

Bass is accurate but anemic.
Body is lacking and
instruments are Micky mouse midjets.

The polite highs still overpower the lacking lows on classical music.
And on non classical concerts (where the speakers being used are dynamic) the presentation is just lifeless.

There is plenty of room for research and improvement on headphones and no amp in the world is going to ever fix the problems of estat speakers or phones.

Just my opinion for whatever is worth.
There is something seriously wrong there as that's not a SR-007 you are describing. First of all, there is no etch... at all. That's the reason why the SR-007 is so hard to drive as Stax went to drastic lengths to air damp the diaphragm same as with the SR-001/3.

The lack of body and bass can be caused by two things, the phones are to tight on your head and you need to bend the metal arcs outwards to relieve the pressure. The bass will gain some flesh and the comfort is far better. The other reason are probably the earpads and they need to be replaced. It's also hard to tell if they were put on correctly in the first place and it will make a huge change to the sound. Those that have changed the springs on the Mk2's can attest to what a few millimeter's do.

I would also not dismiss the amp as a factor in the sound as they interact very differently with the transducers then the dynamic counterparts.

Then again you may simply prefer dynamics and for that we feel sorry for you...
post #9917 of 18422
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey View Post
what are orthodynamics?
It's a planar (flat-ish) sheet with the voice coil etched to the surface and that is sandwiched between two magnets or groups of magnets. Similar construction type to electrostatics in that they are driven over their entire surface unlike cone drivers.

Only Fostex makes them these days, there are many out there from the 70s and 80s mainly from Fostex and Yamaha who also made them for others.
post #9918 of 18422
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Indeed!
Just look at which cans I have scaled down to... K1000 and SR-007BL
Kai, are you running your stats from the SRD or do you have a stat amp there hiding somewhere? I thought the SRD was supposed to be crappy at O2s.
post #9919 of 18422
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Listening to all the stats at the Colorado head-fi meet have spoiled me for my dynamics, and I now know I am a stat person through and through. I just can't seem to get the enjoyment out of my Edition 9 as much anymore. However, there is an exception - my favorite dynamic coming out of the meet today is the K1000 which sounds great balanced from my Single Power as well as naamanf's Beta 22.
I had the chance today to try some L3000s, but made the mistake of spending 2 hours on my friend's 007/717 rig first, trying out various cables and DACs. I think you should sell your ED9s too. I'm sure they wont get any time at all after your HD-800s arrive.

Now for my friend to get a GES or BH for his 007's -- we were discussing just that when I was on my way out.
post #9920 of 18422
I need to apologize for my strong language from time to time.

Due to “bipolar mood disorder” and “bypass surgery” I am a semi-retired Electrical Engineer, now teaching Computer Science for non majors in a technical institute of technology. “HeadphoneAddict” may somehow relate to this.

I don’t know what I would have done without “Head-Fi”. “Head-Fiers” are music connoisseurs with a lot of dexterity and hardware acquired over many years of searching to enhance their listening experiences. In addition in most of their posts they do a fine job to describe the characteristics of the systems and to declare their significance as this relates to music genre, personal preferences and emotional mood.

There are so many things I know I don’t know that I am ready to reconsider any and all of my beliefs as I acquire more knowledge. Certainly the effect of wiring and noise suppressors that “billyearle” has experienced is one such thing.

I have only read half of “Spritzer”‘s posts so far, just started on the “Orthodynamics” thread, have no idea what a “Smeggy” Pro is, or Mr. Willett and Co. referenced by “Sherwood”, I amwondering how “Duggeh”’s HE Take2 sounds like, I bought an AKG K1K - “Krmathis”’s -favorite, and only listened to it for half an hour so far, waiting for the SRD7 PRO conversion, the list goes on and on…

Amps like the BHSE are very expensive, quite controversial and not public domain and as such they are the last in my list to explore. On the other hand Digital Signal Processing and enclosure configuration seem to be easier and cheaper for me to experiment. I have some post mastering recording experience and a friend who is a professional Electronics and Audio Engineer to help me explore.

The Omicron (SR-003) seems quite promising but I just discovered that it came with only one of the three plugs (and don’t know which) and the ergonomics of the headband and plugs may be the killers of this extraordinary set.

Has anybody thought of a horn enclosure for it?
post #9921 of 18422
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
There is something seriously wrong there as that's not a SR-007 you are describing. First of all, there is no etch... at all. That's the reason why the SR-007 is so hard to drive as Stax went to drastic lengths to air damp the diaphragm same as with the SR-001/3.

The lack of body and bass can be caused by two things, the phones are to tight on your head and you need to bend the metal arcs outwards to relieve the pressure. The bass will gain some flesh and the comfort is far better. The other reason are probably the earpads and they need to be replaced. It's also hard to tell if they were put on correctly in the first place and it will make a huge change to the sound. Those that have changed the springs on the Mk2's can attest to what a few millimeter's do.

I would also not dismiss the amp as a factor in the sound as they interact very differently with the transducers then the dynamic counterparts.

Then again you may simply prefer dynamics and for that we feel sorry for you...
Once again you are too fast for me, my friend.

I tried bending but I do not know if I did it right.
I have not gotten to your earpad replacement post yet.
I do find that the Omicron does not suffer as much.
I am not dismissing the amp but after the DSP analysis I find the 717 a best buy and cannot afford a BHSE or attempt to build one. I do like the punch of the dynamics I have but after I went back and compared carefully I find that the O2 is a better trade off.

So I will try more with the headband, replace the pads,
experiment with tips on the Omicron and....
wait patiently for a release of the BHSE schematic.
post #9922 of 18422
You will have to wait a while on that BHSE schematic as I see no reason for Justin to share it. You could just as well build the older 2SA1968 CCS version like I'm doing. Here is what I did over the weekend...



Those are premium PRP resistors and since then some of the transistors, tube sockets and the pots have been installed.

To get the feel for how the arc should be bent, try grabbing each earcup with the phones on your head playing music and changing the angle slightly of the earpieces. Try not to break the seal or cover the back of the headphone in any way as that will alter the results. I usually place each and behind the cups, with the middle finger on top of the phone where the Stax logo is and the thumb holding the bottom. Then I try to move them a bit by but be gentle as they can't take a lot of abuse.
post #9923 of 18422
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
Then again you may simply prefer dynamics and for that we feel sorry for you...
And not only a dynamic but a... Denon! Aaagh, the horror!

Ah, I take it back. At least a Denon is not an Ultrasone.

Kintsaki, I'm just joking. Sometimes I don't take things seriously (and get in trouble with the Stax Mafia).

If you don't like the O2Mk1 or O2Mk2, good for you! So what? So the best Stax flagship headphone (actually the O2Mk2 now ) isn't for you. Listen to whatever makes the music more enjoyable or sound better to you. If it's a lowly Denon, so be it. Let them laugh, I say, while we enjoy our music.

Uh, oh, I may be in trouble with the Mafia again.
post #9924 of 18422
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Originally Posted by smeggy View Post
Kai, are you running your stats from the SRD or do you have a stat amp there hiding somewhere? I thought the SRD was supposed to be crappy at O2s.
Yeah, I drive them using the SRD-7 Pro from either the Signature 30.2 or the β22. Since I have sold both my Stax energizers.
Its far from ideal sound wise, but its so convenient to use the same amplifier for all my headphones. Some day I will get myself a higher quality transformer, either off the shelf or DIY.

Until then this setup keeps me pleased!
post #9925 of 18422
simple philosophy, enjoy the music! thats what it was therefore not for people to say this equipment sounds better then that.
post #9926 of 18422
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Yeah, I drive them using the SRD-7 Pro from either the Signature 30.2 or the β22. Since I have sold both my Stax energizers.
Its far from ideal sound wise, but its so convenient to use the same amplifier for all my headphones. Some day I will get myself a higher quality transformer, either off the shelf or DIY.
Until then this setup keeps me pleased!
I was reminded yesterday of how well a simple setup could sound.
I hooked up my sr-40/srd-4 up to test an amp. It sounds pretty
good for a 30+ year old lowly electret. I'm goining to try out a srd-7 pro.
Found one on ebay, let's see if the price stays reasonable.
post #9927 of 18422
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Originally Posted by kintsaki View Post
I need to apologize for my strong language from time to time.

Due to “bipolar mood disorder” and “bypass surgery” I am a semi-retired Electrical Engineer, now teaching Computer Science for non majors in a technical institute of technology. “HeadphoneAddict” may somehow relate to this.

I don’t know what I would have done without “Head-Fi”. “Head-Fiers” are music connoisseurs with a lot of dexterity and hardware acquired over many years of searching to enhance their listening experiences. In addition in most of their posts they do a fine job to describe the characteristics of the systems and to declare their significance as this relates to music genre, personal preferences and emotional mood.

There are so many things I know I don’t know that I am ready to reconsider any and all of my beliefs as I acquire more knowledge. Certainly the effect of wiring and noise suppressors that “billyearle” has experienced is one such thing.

I have only read half of “Spritzer”‘s posts so far, just started on the “Orthodynamics” thread, have no idea what a “Smeggy” Pro is, or Mr. Willett and Co. referenced by “Sherwood”, I amwondering how “Duggeh”’s HE Take2 sounds like, I bought an AKG K1K - “Krmathis”’s -favorite, and only listened to it for half an hour so far, waiting for the SRD7 PRO conversion, the list goes on and on…

Amps like the BHSE are very expensive, quite controversial and not public domain and as such they are the last in my list to explore. On the other hand Digital Signal Processing and enclosure configuration seem to be easier and cheaper for me to experiment. I have some post mastering recording experience and a friend who is a professional Electronics and Audio Engineer to help me explore.

The Omicron (SR-003) seems quite promising but I just discovered that it came with only one of the three plugs (and don’t know which) and the ergonomics of the headband and plugs may be the killers of this extraordinary set.

Has anybody thought of a horn enclosure for it?
Having spent 6 years treating bipolar children in my medical office, I can completely understand, especially dealing with depression myself and ADHD with PDD in my son. If you get fickle sometimes over your gear, it doesn't even have to be due to Bipolar Disorder!

Also, you have to take everyone's opinions here with a grain of salt, and I haven't met (or read) anyone on head-fi that is correct 100% of the time. Even with a Buffallo DAC feeding a KGBH, the O2 Mk1 don't do everything perfectly, and there are some things we liked more with other stats (Mk2, Jade, Koss, HE60, Smegma Pro) and some things we liked more with the O2 Mk1. The O2 Mk1 cannot wipe the floor with a K1000, and the SRD-7 pro with a clean amp can drive an O2 very decently, so Krmathis is right in that regard.
post #9928 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Elephas View Post
And not only a dynamic but a... Denon! Aaagh, the horror!

Ah, I take it back. At least a Denon is not an Ultrasone.

Kintsaki, I'm just joking. Sometimes I don't take things seriously (and get in trouble with the Stax Mafia).

If you don't like the O2Mk1 or O2Mk2, good for you! So what? So the best Stax flagship headphone (actually the O2Mk2 now ) isn't for you. Listen to whatever makes the music more enjoyable or sound better to you. If it's a lowly Denon, so be it. Let them laugh, I say, while we enjoy our music.

Uh, oh, I may be in trouble with the Mafia again.
As long as your Jades are still in the hands of the "Mafia" you may want to be careful, otherwise the next time you listen to Emily Sparks through them you may find yourself crying, but for a different reason this time.

No seriously, I am thinking to return the Jades and invest on building the older 2SA1968 CCS version.
Omicron is the sexiest babe I ever had and the O2 can be made to sparkle enough for me through DSP. So if the amp that Spritzer is building now does away with the granular and hazy character of the 717 while retaining the bandwidth and power I will be better off this way.
Oh, and I can always run down the street (Denon) for a hot dog when I get home sick for one.

And as for Emily she makes me cry no matter what.
post #9929 of 18422
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
You will have to wait a while on that BHSE schematic as I see no reason for Justin to share it. You could just as well build the older 2SA1968 CCS version like I'm doing. Here is what I did over the weekend...



Those are premium PRP resistors and since then some of the transistors, tube sockets and the pots have been installed.

To get the feel for how the arc should be bent, try grabbing each earcup with the phones on your head playing music and changing the angle slightly of the earpieces. Try not to break the seal or cover the back of the headphone in any way as that will alter the results. I usually place each and behind the cups, with the middle finger on top of the phone where the Stax logo is and the thumb holding the bottom. Then I try to move them a bit by but be gentle as they can't take a lot of abuse.

Can you please outline a road map for me to do the required reading and ask Yanni to help me pursuit the project you are working on while waiting for the BHSE?

The Jade was only better than the Std Sigma driven by the T 10 for my taste. So I will be returning it and invest the money on a better amp than the 717 to drive all my other estats. I found Omicron so much sexier kind like Alizee over Madonna.
post #9930 of 18422
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Originally Posted by kintsaki View Post
Can you please outline a road map for me to do the required reading and ask Yanni to help me pursuit the project you are working on while waiting for the BHSE?
There is no clear road map other then what we've been working on for about 18 months now. This amp is not a stopgap until I get the BHSE but supposed to meet it head on and I'll see which one I like more. This one will be a huge upgrade over my old BH in design and choice of parts but how it will sound is still up the air.
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