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pairing the srd7 pro or any transformer with a marginal amp will result in marginal results. The better the amp the greater the results with any Stax headphones plugged into them. Plugging in a $200 nuforce or other 'entry' level amp will seriously limit SQ. Try a good quality tube or SS amp and the SRD7 can compete with most dedicated stat amps.

This post is absolutely spot on !

I am a bit confused as to why I continually see people pairing their SRD-7s with very mediocre amplification, and then try and compare it against a $2000 direct drive E-Stat amp and telling everyone that it can't compete.

I'm scratching my head here people.... please help me understand the logic.

I know you can't be talking about me because I'm not complaining about the sound of the Nuforce with SRD-7 Pro or SB, and while I could have gone for a expensive speaker amp I wanted more micro-detail than SRD-7 could provide and went for the $2500 direct drive E-stat amp. I'm keeping the SRD-7's as backups in case of failure, and as a second rig for when I don't have time to warm up the GES. In my case the Nuforce with SRD-7 is anything but marginal - you have to hear it to believe it, and 6moons was right about it this time. With my HE60, the Nuforce/SRD-7 beat my SRM-1 Mk2 Pro and my HEV70.

QFT. I've heard that exact setup, and I could not agree more. All of the attributes that the energizers are noted for, namely macro-level dynamics and visceral impact, are there in force. That was a really nice sounding combo.

I'm going to do a little test this evening running my SR-Lambdas through my SRD-6SB out of my hotrodded Moscode 300:


I'm not sure what kind of impedance the SRD-6SB presents, but the moscode will put out 150 watts RMS into 8 ohms with a 75a swing. It is a beast.

If I don't return, Larry, avenge my death.

Man, I love your sense of humour. Stax thread here is not just full of info. but a real laugh as well!

Not just this one, but also about your ability to afford the BHSE if it was made out of jelly beans and card board boxes!!!

You need a sense of humor to try and find any real info in 572 pages...

Indeed!
The result of a SRD-7 Pro -> Stax 'phone system is highly dependent on the quality of the speaker amplifier feeding it. It will scale quite nicely, up to a certain level where the SRD-7 Pro run short.

The difficult part of setting up a good SRD-# set up is to define what is "Marginal" and what is that "up to a certain level".
Fun trying different amp/recievers...but being mindful that for under $1000 one can just get a used SR717 for an excelllent experience.
I've been chasing a set up to "perfect" the Sigma with surprising results...
opps gotta run go get a massage!

Tako, not only do you participate minimally in Colorado-fi functions (SW CO? psshhh..) but then you leave me hanging like this.

Curses.

If I get to keep your Moscode 300, sure!

Deal. It will no doubt outlast me.

Hi guys!
I'm from Russia. I wanted to buy STAX. And decide to buy top of their product: STAX 007. But wich amplifier it must have? As for me the choise between 717 and 727. As there is any diference between them? Which is better?
And another question. Now I have the follow sound section: EMU 1212m + Behringer UB1002 + Bierdinamics 880. Is there will be significant difference between Bierdinamics 880 vs STAX 007?

Yes, there will be significant differences between the Beyerdynamic 880 and any Stax. The sound is totally different, and I'm sure you'll be pleased.

The 717 is really a much better amp than the 727, or so say most people on this board. The 717 is the 2nd best amp Stax has ever made, after the T2 (which is impossible to find, and goes for over $5000 when it comes up used).

The Stax 007 will definitely show you the weaknesses of your system, however. You might eventually want a better source than the 1212M.

actually I owned the nuforce amp and the srd7pro and it was mediocre at best compared with my Berendsen intergrated amp or my ASL power amp with the srd7 pro. Neither of these amps represents best in class performance and both showed significant improvements over the nuforce icon. The bass with the icon is woolly and the details are blurred when compared with better amps, there is no free lunch.

Sherwood, sorry....I do wish that I live'd on the front range...nah! I like it near the mountains or in the mountains, nearby rich farmlands, folks that know my name wherever I am in town, well maybe not that, although it does happen...whatever
My sig does reveal the srd 7 with a Teac A H500 integrated amp...and it truely does make the Sigma sound good. It is a pretty neutral speaker amp that translates into the Sigma.

But the real surprise is that I have read some nice things about gainclone amps...and read further that the Dared MP5 was a hybrid gainclone with a tube preamp. I found a cheap one (165 shipped) and started rolling tubes. I have Brimar 12AU7 tubes in now and they give the Sigma the BEST sound that I have heard. Long plate Telefunkens are on the way.

Lets see... I have tried the carver receiver from the 1980's, a Denon 4802 in two channel mode, an Emotiva MPS1 ( just using two channels at 200 watt/ch each), a neighbors current NAD integrated ( forget the number), and a parasound Halo A-23 amp matched with the P3 pre from my two channel rig ( I had high hopes for that one but it had some harshness to the highs).

The Sigma via the srm1/mk2 pro and the srd-7 mk2 always had the mids and treble so distant. The Sigma bass and soundstage has been always excellent, even my wife had positive commnets about it...despite hating to put it on. But the detail of the rest of the freq was just lost. The Halo actually came close but the TEAC and the Dared/12AU7 do the best in bringing one closer to the stage and really getting a pleasant forward/detailed sound. It took me awhile of A/b ing to really realize it. Still a very warm earspeaker...warmer than the SR007.

Now the SR007/717 is still the most neutral and best "headphone" combo that I have heard...but the dynamics that the srd 7 mk2 brings and now the fullness of the mids and upper end just makes this the electronica, Pink Floyd, World ( great ukulele realism) even bluegrass... set up to reach for. It is not as forward and bright as I would want but it reminds me alot of listening to live music in outdoor venues. Again... a great/real ukulele sound. I listened alot to Santana's "Singing Wind, Crying Beasts" from Abraxas. It is surprising in that the Dared mp5 would be considered a cheap, mediocre, low fi speaker amp. Although a read thru Elephas' thread does reveal it to be a pretty good speaker amp. It runs my Onix Ref 1 speakers very well in a small room setting.

The SR007 tho doesn't play that well with this setup...getting just sibilant to my ears...think the Ultrasone proline 2500, but a touch more sssss. It stays with the 717...along with the LambdaPro and 303. A nice tube integrated might be a good match up with the SRD7 in this regard. But I am very satisfied with the 717.

oh and a momentous night, one to remember.