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post #796 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
One thing I notice in that circuit is the center tap which I assume is there for the purpose of creating a ground reference shared between the bias supply and the audio signal. In my SRD-7 Mk2 I get some 50Hz mains hum that is quite noticeable with my SR-X Mk3 (The O2s don't seem to be efficient enough for it to be very noticeble). There is no direct connection to the ground in the mains plug, it's only got two prongs. Considering these center taps are the only place the audio and bias signals interact I'm assuming that the hum is creeping into the signal through here. Is there a way I can minimise this? Perhaps running a line from the mains ground to this spot (i.e. on the center tap PCB traces) in the circuit to actually make it a true reference to ground?

On another semi-related note, I am planning to build my own custom transformer box along the lines of Andrea Ciuffoli's circuit but with a substantially higher ratio for the two signal transformers so it can be used with lower power amplifiers (under 10W). Now having more turns will increase the capacitance. I'm wondering if this will have any effect other than reduced high frequency performance? I'm thinking that as long as the transformer can maintain good performance (under +/- 1db) to near 25Khz or better this is not a concern. If it was a problem it would seem I'd have to scrap the idea and settle for a lower ratio.
The CT point is connected to the Center Tap of each of the step up transformer secondaries (high voltage side). This will put the bias voltage in the middle of the of the AC signal from the secondaries. THE CT POINT IS NOT TO BE USED AS A GROUND!

The SRD-7 Pro does not use a transformer in the bias supply and is not isolated from the AC line. It also does not use a common ground. The primary and secondary of the step-up transformer and bias supply are floating to ground. While listening to the headphones (but no music playing) quickly unplug the unit from the AC outlet and see if the hum goes away. If it does you may want to try a few ideas: Try putting a ground connection to the chassis (metal box). Try the polarity of the AC plug. Try a isolation transformer on the AC line. If all this fails there may be a problem with the SRD-7 Pro.

If you get or custom order a transformer a 24:1 turns ratio (like Stax uses) is getting close to the limit. When the turns ratio gets to high it starts to degrade performance. One other way to get higher voltages is to use two transformers in tandem. Parallel the primaries and series the secondaries. That’s what Quad, Martin-Logan and Audiostatic do.

Hope this helps,

AudioD
post #797 of 18422
There's a very nice pair of something on eBay.xx.xx atm... Happy hunting!
post #798 of 18422
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There's a very nice pair of something on eBay.xx.xx atm... Happy hunting!
Seems like a scam to me!
1. The seller have 0 (zero) feedback.
2. He use pictures taken from an older eBay auction.

The one on eBay.xxx is for real though.
post #799 of 18422
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Originally Posted by audiod View Post
The CT point is connected to the Center Tap of each of the step up transformer secondaries (high voltage side). This will put the bias voltage in the middle of the of the AC signal from the secondaries. THE CT POINT IS NOT TO BE USED AS A GROUND!

The SRD-7 Pro does not use a transformer in the bias supply and is not isolated from the AC line. It also does not use a common ground. The primary and secondary of the step-up transformer and bias supply are floating to ground. While listening to the headphones (but no music playing) quickly unplug the unit from the AC outlet and see if the hum goes away. If it does you may want to try a few ideas: Try putting a ground connection to the chassis (metal box). Try the polarity of the AC plug. Try a isolation transformer on the AC line. If all this fails there may be a problem with the SRD-7 Pro.

If you get or custom order a transformer a 24:1 turns ratio (like Stax uses) is getting close to the limit. When the turns ratio gets to high it starts to degrade performance. One other way to get higher voltages is to use two transformers in tandem. Parallel the primaries and series the secondaries. That’s what Quad, Martin-Logan and Audiostatic do.

Hope this helps,

AudioD
Ah, thanks for the information. When I think more about your comments on the center tap too it makes sense given the nature of electrostatics. I'll definitely give those other suggestions a try too to try and eliminate that hum. It's not really a problem with the O2s but with the SR-X I find my passive SRD-6 has a much lower noise floor.

In terms of the transformer ratios, I was looking at something like these although of course they would require the use of very low powered amps and/or over voltage protection for the headphones since I'm sure a 100W amp on a 100:1 ratio generating 2000V would fry electrostatic headphones instantly. I'm thinking of a much lower power amp near 4W max which even in the case at a 100:1 ratio you'd end up with about 630Vrms maximum. But yes, the quality of the sound at such extreme ratios is a concern as well. The idea of transformers in tandem is an interesting way around the problem. I can see I need to do more homework.
post #800 of 18422
What is the turns ratio on the Illusion transformer ??
post #801 of 18422
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Originally Posted by audiod View Post
I don't know the value of R103 but it should be the same as R104.
Just to confirm, I opened up my SRD-7 Mk2. R103 is red, red, green, gold or 2.2Mohm if I remember my resistor codes correctly which makes it the same as R104 as you expected.
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Seems like a scam to me!
1. The seller have 0 (zero) feedback.
2. He use pictures taken from an older eBay auction.

The one on eBay.xxx is for real though.
The British one has stolen text, which is pretty much a dead giveaway.


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What is the turns ratio on the Illusion transformer ??
They're potted, I wouldn't be able to find out. Probably close to the Stax one as the volume appears close.
post #803 of 18422
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Originally Posted by audiod View Post
While listening to the headphones (but no music playing) quickly unplug the unit from the AC outlet and see if the hum goes away. If it does you may want to try a few ideas: Try putting a ground connection to the chassis (metal box).
This worked for me. I had been using the original two wire Japanese mains connecter through one of those international mains travel adaptors. I replaced this completely with a local three wire power cable connecting the new ground wire to the chassis. The hum is gone. No need for the travel adaptor any more either.
post #804 of 18422
For those who have heard the original normal bias Lambda and the Sigma Pro, how would you characterize each in regards to each other? I just want to get a feeling of what I should be expecting.

Cheers and thanks so much!
Venio

Soon to be seduced by Stax, I'm sure.
post #805 of 18422
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Veniogenesis View Post
For those who have heard the original normal bias Lambda and the Sigma Pro, how would you characterize each in regards to each other? I just want to get a feeling of what I should be expecting.

Cheers and thanks so much!
Venio

Soon to be seduced by Stax, I'm sure.
The only one with both is Spritzer. I'd imagine the SP is quite a bit better based on personal experiences.
post #806 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
The only one with both is Spritzer. I'd imagine the SP is quite a bit better based on personal experiences.
Thanks Carl. I'll try contacting Spritzer.

By the way, which dynamic cans have you owned before? Surely you've owned dynamic rigs in the past? (Haha, I need to talk to people who can tell me how the Sigma Pro compares with traditional dynamic cans since I'm expecting a 4 or 5 week wait before I actually get a chance to hear the Sigma Pro. I'm probably comparing apples and oranges though. )
post #807 of 18422
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Thanks Carl. I'll try contacting Spritzer.

By the way, which dynamic cans have you owned before? Surely you've owned dynamic rigs in the past? (Haha, I need to talk to people who can tell me how the Sigma Pro compares with traditional dynamic cans since I'm expecting a 4 or 5 week wait before I actually get a chance to hear the Sigma Pro. I'm probably comparing apples and oranges though. )
I've heard and owned a good number of dynamic headphones (and speakers for that matter). I almost always find them to be the weak link in the musical chain, thus my preference for planar types. The last expensive one I had was the W5000, which I didn't really like.
post #808 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
In terms of the transformer ratios, I was looking at something like these although of course they would require the use of very low powered amps and/or over voltage protection for the headphones since I'm sure a 100W amp on a 100:1 ratio generating 2000V would fry electrostatic headphones instantly. I'm thinking of a much lower power amp near 4W max which even in the case at a 100:1 ratio you'd end up with about 630Vrms maximum. But yes, the quality of the sound at such extreme ratios is a concern as well. The idea of transformers in tandem is an interesting way around the problem. I can see I need to do more homework.
A 100:1 turns ratio is a lot of voltage gain to drive the phones with. Your system would have to be extremely quiet. All noise and hum will receive the same voltage gain. You would also need to be careful of any loud pops or clicks that might give a voltage spike that could arc the elements in the phones. I would contact Sowter and see if they have any experience with electrostatic headphones.

AudioD
post #809 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
They're potted, I wouldn't be able to find out. Probably close to the Stax one as the volume appears close.
Measure voltage in:voltage out.
post #810 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
The only one with both is Spritzer. I'd imagine the SP is quite a bit better based on personal experiences.
I think of the low bias Lambda's as the Quad ESL-57 of headphones. Their a little light at extremes and aren’t as dynamic but WHAT a midrange. For low level listening of Jazz vocals their great (driven by my SRA-12s). To me the Sigma Pro's are a different animal altogether and hard to compare with conventional electrostatic headphones. Some people love them some people don't.

AudioD
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