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post #721 of 18422
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You know you want it wound with silver wire, don't go trying to deny it.
No, not at all...*cough*...Well...yeah....okay...I admit it....I do.
post #722 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Veniogenesis View Post
Ended up at almost 50k yen. I went into a bidding battle against someone and managed to somehow exchange bids so much that we raised the price by 15k in 15 minutes. It was horrible. I hate how YJA keeps extending the time if anyone bids within the last 5 minutes of the auction. The auction ended up extending at least 8 times. Arghhh. Gah....... *pout*

With deputy my service's huge fees, I'm going to have spent a pretty huge penny for these Sigma Pros. Hopefully I can figure something out. Sell my PPX3 and go Stax? Try to sell the Sigma Pro and hope for a minimal loss?
Thats quite a lot for a Sigma Pro. Your best bet if you plan to keep them is to use a Stax adapter and a power amp to drive them. They need a lot of voltage and the lower priced amps can't give that much.

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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
Yes, given it's the bias supply that transformer is overkill but I have my doubts about suitable transformers being generally available here in NZ and I suspect when shipping is factored in buying the lot from Lundahl wouldn't end up being that much more expensive. Besides, this is head-fi.
Still, I'll look around and see if I can find a cheaper option for a 230V supply.
Mouser sells the right one. You don't even need a transformer since it is only an isolation device for 230v but I do not recommend it.

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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
He was talking about the voltage swing of the amplifier (the one fed to the stators), not the fixed bias voltage fed to the diaphragm. Stax's own amps do 280-450Vrms depending on the model. The EA-1 does... what was it again? ~350Vpp? I've forgotten the equation for converting root mean square values to peak-to-peak values, but that would put it around the same as Stax's weaker amps. (Of course, being Peter you could just ask him to use beefier tubes).
The RMS value is 70.7% of the P-P value.
post #723 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
Another Sigma Pro was up on YJ last night. Annoyingly the listing isn't showing up on Aucfan and I didn't keep the browser window open, so I don't know how much it went for. 30-40k yen I'd imagine.

Oh, so it was you! Hahaha. How much did it end up going for?
I went for it too but alas it became too much for me..... IIRC it went for about Yen46,500 ~ US$744? Too much just too much and I thought no one caught on to it and I could have gotten my hands on it. Dang. FYI there was also a non-pro Sigma on auction as well and ended about 6 hours ago.
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
The RMS value is 70.7% of the P-P value.
Yes, that's the one. Thanks, Spritzer!
post #725 of 18422
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
Mouser sells the right one. You don't even need a transformer since it is only an isolation device for 230v but I do not recommend it.
From my reading it's using the transformer to get 500V from a 230V supply so I assume it would still be necessary. I could be reading it wrong though, it doesn't show the connections to the primary. I do have an account with Mouser but their site is acting up for me currently. Have to take a look another time.
post #726 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
From my reading it's using the transformer to get 500V from a 230V supply so I assume it would still be necessary. I could be reading it wrong though, it doesn't show the connections to the primary. I do have an account with Mouser but their site is acting up for me currently. Have to take a look another time.
You do not need a 500v transformer for this. A simple adjustable voltage doubler is enough. Kevin posted once an adjustable always on bias supply that would work and it used a simple 117/230v -> 230v transformer.


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I haven't built this one yet but I have built something similar without a transformer for testing and it works. Not something that I would put into one of my amps though.
post #727 of 18422
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
You do not need a 500v transformer for this. A simple adjustable voltage doubler is enough. Kevin posted once an adjustable always on bias supply that would work and it used a simple 117/230v -> 230v transformer.


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I haven't built this one yet but I have built something similar without a transformer for testing and it works. Not something that I would put into one of my amps though.
Ah, I see what you're getting at. I was just assuming you meant replacing the transformer in the existing circuit on that site. But yes, I'm more familiar with a voltage doubler circuit like that and it would let me use a much cheaper transformer so it's a win all round. Many thanks for the suggestion.
post #728 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
Ah, I see what you're getting at. I was just assuming you meant replacing the transformer in the existing circuit on that site. But yes, I'm more familiar with a voltage doubler circuit like that and it would let me use a much cheaper transformer so it's a win all round. Many thanks for the suggestion.
The Ciuffoli design is just too much for my tastes. Jensen film caps are good but the Vishay film caps are much more reliable and thats what counts here.
post #729 of 18422
From what I understand, the Sigma Pro needs quite a powerful amplifier. Would the SRM-1 do a decent job?
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Originally Posted by Veniogenesis View Post
From what I understand, the Sigma Pro needs quite a powerful amplifier. Would the SRM-1 do a decent job?
It should be ok but I haven't tried them with it.
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Has anyone calculated voltage swing for adapter-fed Stax?

I'm still sort of in the hunt for an SRD-7 Pro, and also possibly looking at building an adapter. I'm not at all sure how you'd calculate the available voltage swing out of such a contraption. Has anyone tried? Since OIIs need a healthy swing to sound their best, I'd planned on using a healthy SS driver to my future adapter, one that puts out over 400 watts into a 4 ohm load, around 300 into 8 ohms, iirc. But how much voltage swing does this translate to at the 'phones?
Those of you who've tried SRD7 with OIIs, please weigh in with your opinions. How does it sound compared with something like the KGSS?
Somehow, the whole transformer idea seems kind of bass-ackwards to me, honestly, like putting a cart in front of a horse. Still, Carl and others endorse it, so I'm still looking at the possibilities. Also, anyone with ideas on using the less efficient (generate less voltage than SRD-7) high dollar Swedish transformers and how that would affect drivability and voltage swing on OIIs, please chime in.
Thanks.
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I thought maybe this the appropriate place to ask: can someone who has had some experience with both the O2 and the 4070 side-by-side compare them? At this point, I know that my next rig will be an e-stat one. I pretty much narrowed down amplification to the KGSS for the following reasons: I like SS, I liked all of KG's dynamic designs, the KGSS+O2 synergy has been reported on more than on e occasion from people whose ears I trust, and it is decently priced.

So if anyone can give some impressions on how the 4070 stacks up to the O2, I would really appreciate it. I won't be able to get this e-stat rig until the fall, but I like to plan ahead if possible.
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I thought maybe this the appropriate place to ask: can someone who has had some experience with both the O2 and the 4070 side-by-side compare them? At this point, I know that my next rig will be an e-stat one. I pretty much narrowed down amplification to the KGSS for the following reasons: I like SS, I liked all of KG's dynamic designs, the KGSS+O2 synergy has been reported on more than on e occasion from people whose ears I trust, and it is decently priced.

So if anyone can give some impressions on how the 4070 stacks up to the O2, I would really appreciate it. I won't be able to get this e-stat rig until the fall, but I like to plan ahead if possible.
X2.


may I add SONY R10 into the equation ?
post #734 of 18422
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X2.


may I add SONY R10 into the equation ?
The R10 is not an electro-stat, and for the record, I didnt' like it when I heard it, well not enough to warrant the purchase anyways. In fact, outside of Stax, I am just not a big fan of Japanese high-end headphones.
post #735 of 18422
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Somehow, the whole transformer idea seems kind of bass-ackwards to me, honestly, like putting a cart in front of a horse. Still, Carl and others endorse it, so I'm still looking at the possibilities.
I can only go on what my ears tell me. I spent hundreds on a 3030 system and was extremely happy with it for a few weeks, then (because of what I'd read on this website) snapped up a set of SR-Xs and an SRD-6 (SB) transformer (solely to hear the SR-Xs).

Never mind about the SR-Xs (their status is well-established amongst the cogniscenti here), what shocked me was how good the SRD-6 was (driven by a decent amp: a Naim 32.5/140) compared to the SRM-313 and an SRM-1 Mk 2, of which the latter is also well-lauded on these pages.

This was not what I wanted to know! Having just spent 6 times the money of the SR-Xs/SRD-6 for the 3030, I really wanted the latter to be 6 times better, or at least twice as good! It wasn't so: listening through the SR-Xs was loads better on the SRD-6 than the 313 or SRM-1.

Personally, I believe that, in common with most non-flat earth hi fi manufacturers, Stax Japan can't really do stunning electronics, so, even though a transformer should be sh*t, they actually do less harm (again, when driven by a good power amp) than the Stax amps.

Like you, want I now want is a transformer box that'll drive Pro earspeakers, but surely one of you egg-heads out there knows how to up the bias voltage on an SRD-7 (mains bias version) so I can try it for free (or almost for free, just a few simple components?). My soldering iron awaits!
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