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post #706 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
One can improve a lot on Stax's cheap transformers, so if you can afford it, go for it. Alternatively you could replace the wire and transformers in one of Stax's units for similar effect.



Another Sigma Pro was up on YJ last night. Annoyingly the listing isn't showing up on Aucfan and I didn't keep the browser window open, so I don't know how much it went for. 30-40k yen I'd imagine.



Oh, so it was you! Hahaha. How much did it end up going for?



Not very low when compared to Stax's amps, but certainly when compared to the ES1 and Blue Hawaii. Some 'stats (HE90 for example) need less power than others, so it's not necessarily an issue.
There's never been any clipping with my EA-4/HE90 combo, or with various EA-4/Stax headphone setups used at several meets.
post #707 of 18422
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Originally Posted by derekbmn View Post
I believe the EA-1 only puts out 350v, the same as a SRM-313. Not sure on the EA-4 & EA-6.
I'm fairly sure that my EA-4 puts out 500v at the HE90 outlet, and 580v at the high voltage Stax outlet. It also has a second Stax outlet, which is low voltage.
post #708 of 18422
Very valuable list, that's really appreciated. Please add the Woo Audio GES amp.

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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Here are my attempt on a Stax Earspeaker, amplifier and energizer units guide.
It is not complete, and might have errors. So please let me in if you have corrections, or additional products which I have not listed!

In production = Bold Green
Out of production = Black

Earspeakers:

Pro bias (5 pin plug):
  • SR-007 (Omega II)
  • 4070
  • SR-404
  • SR-303
  • SR-202
  • SR-003
  • S-001 MK2 (proprietary plug)
  • Lambda Nova Signature
  • Lambda Nova Classic
  • Lambda Nova
  • SR-Omega
  • Lambda Pro Classic
  • SR-Lambda Signature
  • SR-Lambda Pro
  • SR-Sigma Pro
  • SR-Gamma Pro
  • Alfa Excellent
  • SR-X/MK3 Pro
Non-Stax (works with an adapter cable):
  • Koss ESP-950
  • Sennheiser HE90
  • Sennheiser HE60

Normal bias (6 pin plug):
  • SR-Sigma
  • SR-Lambda
  • SR-X/MK3
  • SR-5
  • SR-X/MK2
  • SR-X
  • SR-3
Non-Stax (works with an adapter cable):
  • Beyer ET1000 (180v bias, but work fine at 230v)
  • Suprex PEP-74
  • Magnavox 1A9217
  • Koss ESP6
  • Koss ESP7
  • Marantz SE-1
  • Infinity ES-1
  • Realistic HP-100

Special bias (should work with an adapter cable):
  • Jecklin Float (bias around 900v)
  • Koss ESP9
  • Koss ESP10


Amplifiers:

Pro bias (5 pin connector):
  • SRM-007tII
  • SRM-727II
  • SRM-006tII
  • SRM-323II
  • SRM-252II
  • SRM-310
  • SRM-001 (proprietary connector)
  • SRM-007t
  • SRM-717
  • SRM-006t
  • SRM-313
  • SRM-212
  • SRM-T2
  • SRM-T1S
  • SRM-T1
  • SRM-T1W
  • SRM-1/MK-2 PP
  • SRM-1/MK2
  • SRM-1 Pro
  • SRA-14S
  • SRM-X Pro
  • SRM-Xh
  • SRD-X Pro
Non-Stax (with Stax Pro connector):
  • Singlepower ES-1
  • HeadAmp Blue Hawaii Special Edition (coming soon-ish)
  • HeadAmp KGSS
  • Rudistor Egmont Signature HE90
  • Rudistor Egmont Signature
  • Rudistor Egmont
  • McAlister Audio EA-6 (coming soon)
  • McAlister Audio EA-4
  • McAlister Audio EA-1
  • Woo Audio GES
  • HeadAmp Aristaeus
  • HeadAmp Blue Hawaii
Non-Stax (works with an adapter cable):
  • Sennheiser HEV90
  • Sennheiser HEV70


Normal bias (6 pin connector):
  • SRM-007t (some)
  • SRM-006t (some)
  • SRM-313
  • SRM-T2
  • SRM-T1S
  • SRM-1
  • SRM-1/MK2
  • SRM-1
  • SRA-14S
  • SRA-12S
  • SRA-10S


Energizers:

Pro bias (5 pin connector):
  • SRD-7 Pro
  • SRD-7 MK2
non-Stax (but have a Stax Pro connector):
  • illusion ESC-1001

Normal bias (6 pin connector):
  • SRD-7 MK2
  • SRD-7SB
  • SRD-6SB
  • SRD-7
  • SRD-6
  • SRD-5

As you probably notice, some of the amplifiers and energizers are listed in both "Pro" and "Normal".
Meaning that they have both connectors, and can drive any Stax electrostatic headspeaker.

Edit 1: Added more Stax Earspeakers, and sections for non-Stax headphones. Ref. 'spritzer'.
Edit 2: Added SRM-727II and SRM-717. As pointed out by 'Afrikane'.
Edit 3: List sorted in chronological order, and added Green colour coding to the current in-production models.
Edit 4: Added non-Stax amplifiers and energizers.
post #709 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mikeg View Post
Very valuable list, that's really appreciated. Please add the Woo Audio GES amp
Thanks!
I sure hope it becomes valuable for those who want to step into the electrostatic headphone land.

By the way, the Woo Audio GES are already in the list...
post #710 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mikeg View Post
I'm fairly sure that my EA-4 puts out 500v at the HE90 outlet, and 580v at the high voltage Stax outlet. It also has a second Stax outlet, which is low voltage.
You are confusing bias voltage with voltage swing. Voltage swing is the comparative power rating so higher is better.

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Originally Posted by mikeg View Post
There's never been any clipping with my EA-4/HE90 combo, or with various EA-4/Stax headphone setups used at several meets.
Have you tried the EA-4 with some taxing heavy metal or the like?
post #711 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mikeg View Post
There's never been any clipping with my EA-4/HE90 combo, or with various EA-4/Stax headphone setups used at several meets.
You wouldn't notice a lack of voltage as clipping. It would in my experience show a lack of dynamics and overall drive.

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Originally Posted by mikeg
I'm fairly sure that my EA-4 puts out 500v at the HE90 outlet, and 580v at the high voltage Stax outlet. It also has a second Stax outlet, which is low voltage.
It's not the bias voltage that's the issue. It's the voltage swing in the signal.
post #712 of 18422
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
You are confusing bias voltage with voltage swing. Voltage swing is the comparative power rating so higher is better.



Have you tried the EA-4 with some taxing heavy metal or the like?

I haven't, but others played all sorts of music (including heavy metal) on it, at several meets, and no one ever mentioned hearing any clipping. Most everyone's opinion was that my EA-4 is a great sounding amp., although not as great an an HEV90.
post #713 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
You wouldn't notice a lack of voltage as clipping. It would in my experience show a lack of dynamics and overall drive.
You are correct for the most part,but when those things happen(lack of dynamics,etc.)A person generally will try and make up for it by increasing volume, and that's when clipping will rear it's ugly self.
post #714 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
Another Sigma Pro was up on YJ last night. Ann
oyingly the listing isn't showing up on Aucfan and I didn't keep the browser window open, so I don't know how much it went for. 30-40k yen I'd imagine.

Oh, so it was you! Hahaha. How much did it end up going for?
Ended up at almost 50k yen. I went into a bidding battle against someone and managed to somehow exchange bids so much that we raised the price by 15k in 15 minutes. It was horrible. I hate how YJA keeps extending the time if anyone bids within the last 5 minutes of the auction. The auction ended up extending at least 8 times. Arghhh. Gah....... *pout*

With deputy my service's huge fees, I'm going to have spent a pretty huge penny for these Sigma Pros. Hopefully I can figure something out. Sell my PPX3 and go Stax? Try to sell the Sigma Pro and hope for a minimal loss?
post #715 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
It looks like my setup would still power that with little problem. It's tempting I must say, those would be nicer transformers than in the SRD-7s. I do notice the parts list mentions two LL1651s though. Am I missing something or should only one be required? I would have thought based on the LL1651 datasheet that to get 500V (from a 230V supply like Italy has) you could connect terminal 4 to 1 and 2 to 3. I could of course just be misreading the circuit and the datasheeet. Unfortunately that circuit is just a bit vague on the connections to the primary. Guess I could email the author for clarification.

On another note, it seems he's also made some Stax amps and posted circuit diagrams although in essence both would appear to be high voltage amps with a low ratio transformer box attached on the output.
http://www.audiodesignguide.com/my/stax_amp.html
http://www.audiodesignguide.com/my/stax_amp2.html

Edit: A link to the transformer box circuit might be helpful.
Somebody posted earlier today that you really only need the two 120 buck tsfmrs - the other two (don't know why they called for two, either) are way overkill for the very low current bias circuit, which can be powered by a cheapie with zero degradation of audio quality.

I noticed the amps and other links on his pages too, pretty interesting. I may build a custom box for my Omega IIs and drive them with a Perreaux 3150
post #716 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Downrange View Post
Somebody posted earlier today that you really only need the two 120 buck tsfmrs - the other two (don't know why they called for two, either) are way overkill for the very low current bias circuit, which can be powered by a cheapie with zero degradation of audio quality.

I noticed the amps and other links on his pages too, pretty interesting. I may build a custom box for my Omega IIs and drive them with a Perreaux 3150
Yes, given it's the bias supply that transformer is overkill but I have my doubts about suitable transformers being generally available here in NZ and I suspect when shipping is factored in buying the lot from Lundahl wouldn't end up being that much more expensive. Besides, this is head-fi.
Still, I'll look around and see if I can find a cheaper option for a 230V supply.
post #717 of 18422
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Yes, that is the one I talked about.
And you are right, the picture certainly show a low bias SR-Lambda, not a Lambda Pro. He probably don't know better, or try to scam us!

I did not look closely at the picture, just read the subject line. The seller don't ship to my location, so I did not care much about it...
Two days before the auction ended the seller added the information that this Lambdas are 6 pin/230 V bias and that he might have got the wrong manual when he purchased them many years ago.Doesn't seem to be scam attempt.
post #718 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mikeg View Post
There's never been any clipping with my EA-4/HE90 combo, or with various EA-4/Stax headphone setups used at several meets.
Well... one would hope not. The issue isn't about volume, it's about controlling a large diaphragm with a mass of a few milligrams using only electrostatic force. There are other ways to do this than just large power reserves perhaps, but high voltages and fast slew rates are typically how it's done.

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Originally Posted by mikeg View Post
I'm fairly sure that my EA-4 puts out 500v at the HE90 outlet, and 580v at the high voltage Stax outlet. It also has a second Stax outlet, which is low voltage.
He was talking about the voltage swing of the amplifier (the one fed to the stators), not the fixed bias voltage fed to the diaphragm. Stax's own amps do 280-450Vrms depending on the model. The EA-1 does... what was it again? ~350Vpp? I've forgotten the equation for converting root mean square values to peak-to-peak values, but that would put it around the same as Stax's weaker amps. (Of course, being Peter you could just ask him to use beefier tubes).


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Originally Posted by derekbmn View Post
You are correct for the most part,but when those things happen(lack of dynamics,etc.)A person generally will try and make up for it by increasing volume, and that's when clipping will rear it's ugly self.
And when you're on a desperate quest to lower the SPL without reducing musical involvement, it starts to become an issue. Most good headphones work well with the volume cranked.


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Originally Posted by Veniogenesis View Post
Try to sell the Sigma Pro and hope for a minimal loss?
Listen to them through a good, powerful amp before you do. I just bought my pair because they were on my "want to hear" list, but it'd take an extreme act of willpower to try and sell them now. They may not quite be in the HE60/Omega II/4070 class, but they're bloody good nonetheless.

They sound rather retched underamped, though, so make sure you drive them from something with plenty of guts.


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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
Yes, given it's the bias supply that transformer is overkill but I have my doubts about suitable transformers being generally available here in NZ and I suspect when shipping is factored in buying the lot from Lundahl wouldn't end up being that much more expensive. Besides, this is head-fi.
Still, I'll look around and see if I can find a cheaper option for a 230V supply.
You don't necessarily need to go Lundahl anyway. With the transformer specs in hand you can get just about any custom winder to make one for you, be it Tribute/Electra-Print/Sowter/etc. I'd imagine Tango and Tamura would have something suitable on their books, too.
post #719 of 18422
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
He was talking about the voltage swing of the amplifier (the one fed to the stators), not the fixed bias voltage fed to the diaphragm. Stax's own amps do 280-450Vrms depending on the model. The EA-1 does... what was it again? ~350Vpp? I've forgotten the equation for converting root mean square values to peak-to-peak values, but that would put it around the same as Stax's weaker amps. (Of course, being Peter you could just ask him to use beefier tubes).
Kevin Gilmore made a post about this at one point regarding the best swing you could get out of a given design...Yep, here it is...
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showpo...77&postcount=3

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Originally Posted by Carl
You don't necessarily need to go Lundahl anyway. With the transformer specs in hand you can get just about any custom winder to make one for you, be it Tribute/Electra-Print/Sowter/etc. I'd imagine Tango and Tamura would have something suitable on their books, too.
Last time I looked at custom transformer winding it didn't cost any less than that Lundahl one. But yeah, there may be others with something similar on their books. Whether it would work out cheaper or not in the end with shipping, I don't know. Worth some investigation though I think.
post #720 of 18422
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Originally Posted by mirumu View Post
Last time I looked at custom transformer winding it didn't cost any less than that Lundahl one. But yeah, there may be others with something similar on their books. Whether it would work out cheaper or not in the end with shipping, I don't know. Worth some investigation though I think.
You know you want it wound with silver wire, don't go trying to deny it.
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