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I know there are papers out there for it, but I really don't feel like going through them and digesting the information and instead just want a summary.

 

What is the Olive-Welti target curve? Is that the ideal curve for a, what our ears hear as, flat sound? What's the HRTF function then?

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I want to ask a question as well. Why do you need HRTFs compensation curves at all? Why isn't a perfectly flat headphone enough? the world around us doesn't exactly adapt to a certain compensation curve.. Perfect measuring headphone with flat freq response reproducing perfectly recorded sounds = what? 

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I know there are papers out there for it, but I really don't feel like going through them and digesting the information and instead just want a summary.

 

What is the Olive-Welti target curve? Is that the ideal curve for a, what our ears hear as, flat sound? What's the HRTF function then?

 

That's what Tyll's article is for: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harman-researchers-make-important-headway-understanding-headphone-response

 

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I want to ask a question as well. Why do you need HRTFs compensation curves at all? Why isn't a perfectly flat headphone enough? the world around us doesn't exactly adapt to a certain compensation curve.. Perfect measuring headphone with flat freq response reproducing perfectly recorded sounds = what? 

 

Umm, that's what Tyll's article is for: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harman-researchers-make-important-headway-understanding-headphone-response

post #24724 of 24765

Also to add, a flat down to earth sounding headphone is not on everybody's preference list either. Genre and user taste is also important.

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So, basically compensation curves are made to emulate the freq respinse of sound coming from in front of you? 

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In.

Excellent!

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I'm moving to Winnipeg next month. If there is a meet, feel free to drop me a line.

Oh man...get ready for those Winnipeg winters! Remember, the secret is a lot of layers. wink.gif  Seriously, great town. My second home really. Been going there since my wife and I were dating (more than 20 years now). 

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I know there are papers out there for it, but I really don't feel like going through them and digesting the information and instead just want a summary.

There is a guy in another site who didn't feel like going through a thread because it was too long.

These millennials!  smile.gif

post #24728 of 24765

WTF

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Boundry gain from your torso adds a bit of mid-range energy

 

 

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Audio engineers have long established two curves as important for compensating for the HRTF: Free Field, and Diffuse Field. The Free Field curve models what is heard at the ear drum with sound coming from directly in front of you and without any reflected energy—like if your were listening to a speaker in an anechoic chamber. The Diffuse Field curve models what you'd hear at the ear drum if you were in a very live room (all concrete walls) with speakers placed in numerous places around the room pumping it full of energy—in other words, what's heard at the ear-drum with flat sound coming at you from all directions.
 
The problem, as I see it, is that neither of these compensations model what would be heard at the ear drum listening to two good speakers in an acoustically treated listening room, which, I would assume, is what headphones are supposed to be mimicking.

So basically he's saying the HRTF stuff is completely useless for us and headphone measurements. Excellent. I'm glad we use it.

 

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Spoiler alert: Flat, neutral response was preferred.

Flat as in.....good speaker-room flat?

 

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the heavy weight and higher clamping force of the Audeze LCD-2 v2 may have made it identifiable in the standard test.

Yeah.......the LCD-2 is like wearing dumbbells on your ears; it's not easy to identify at all.

post #24729 of 24765

HRTF is completely relevant for headphone because of the lack of it. In the future, democratized Smyths realizer will be available.

 

Headphones cannot mimic speakers without it. Diffuse field is an attempt.

 

And bravo guys you are smarter than the Stax engineers?

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We have that too. It's called Buffalo...

Oh yeah, in those parts of New York they get some HUGE snowfalls!  More snow than Chicago, absolutely.

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HRTF is completely relevant for headphone because of the lack of it. In the future, democratized Smyths realizer will be available.

 

Headphones cannot mimic speakers without it. Diffuse field is an attempt.

 

And bravo guys you are smarter than the Stax engineers?

Heh, actually some of them may be "smarter" but it is not how smart you are but the knowledge you have and how you apply it that matters in most cases. biggrin.gif 

post #24732 of 24765

They actually are maybe way smarter than Stax, that's why I would encourage them to found a new electrosatic headphone company wink_face.gif

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I'm cleaning the black goo off my pads and the frame of the driver housing. I hate it!!!! That god awful double adhesive has become black goo, can't imagine it was ever double sided tape... I have spent like 1 and a  half hour, still got an hour left of this.

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Hey I have a Sr-3 and a srd-7 energizer. When no music is playing a notice a buzzing sound. However, if I touch the end of the cable or the metal amp I'm using, the sound goes away. Also, when I plug it into a grounded stax amp, the sound goes away. Does anyone know any way to get rid of the sound entirely? 

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I'm cleaning the black goo off my pads and the frame of the driver housing. I hate it!!!! That god awful double adhesive has become black goo, can't imagine it was ever double sided tape... I have spent like 1 and a  half hour, still got an hour left of this.

 

Goo Gone works wonders for this sort of stuff. It completely stripped some black gunk off a secondhand pair of K701 that I picked up a while back.

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