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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

Sigmas are just as efficient as the Lambdas that use the same driver design: SR-Lambda and SR-Lambda Signature.  You can measure this with your cell phone using a dB level app in a pinch.  They do however require a bit more gain to get the same volume at the ear position since there's a greater distance between the ear and driver in the Sigmas than the Lambdas.

The only time I've seen some of the low prices you're advising has been on auctions that nobody caught or amps with damage.  Real world value of the SRM-1 mk2 has been about $400-450 and the T1s go for between $450-650.  Pretty much been that way for half a decade at least.

Indeed on the Sigma's requiring more gain on volume to match a normal Lambda due to the driver distance to the ears.

 

With the prices, I don't know what the average price of the SR1 MK2's over the past half decade is, but the prices you mentioned is not the average standard prices for Stax gear that I've been monitoring eBay attentively a little after I joined here, almost the past 3 years.

 

Just to put things into perspective, a little more than just 2 auctions Lambda Pro + SRM1 MK2 (Pro and Normal) sold for around $350-500 on the Aussie ebay domain back in 2011, at that time I would've snagged up on the deal, but I didn't have enough funds so I landed myself the SRD-7 SB MK2 + LP in original boxes good condition for little less than that amount.

 

Koss ESP950 packages come and go at around $400-500 here. I've seen two Sigma buy it now auctions back then here that went for $400 and 500 respectively. I purchased my Sigma Pro's with original box for $500 buy it now. A little over 1.5 months ago, a Lambda Signature + SRM1 MK2 (pro and normal) was sold for final auction price of $600 posted with original box and original pads. A SRM-T1 went for $331 USD from a seller in Vietnam little over 2 months ago, not a scam since the seller posted pictures with his username that I requested and he had over 500 feedback.

 

I've also seen crazy buy it now's on the UK ebay domain, SRM1 MK2 PP models sold for less than $400 but no outside international shipping. The US ebay domain is a hit and miss with good Stax deals, usually the amp auction prices go really up high when there is attention in the market for them (or a particular model) but sometimes people just snag up on cheap buy it now auctions fairly fast. I've rarely seen good deals on the German ebay, rarely, everything is usually sold very very high (not surprising since they have customs and import tax etc). But I was very lucky to have my friend obtain an SR-Omega when he was there for $3400-3500 AUD after Euro conversion when the AUD was worth more than the US at the start of this year. 

 

Don't even get me started on the prices that Stax gear go for on Yahoo Japan auctions, SRM-T1's go for around 35000-40000 yen, I've even seen crazy package auctions of old Lambda Pro and Lambda Nova Classic + T1S deals for 55000-60000 yen. Heck if you check now there is a T1S or W at a buy it now for 37800 yen, common prices for T1 amp's, even after a proxy service such as Kuboten, Rinkya, buyee etc, you'd still get the amp's within $500 shipped etc.

 

Then there is another issue of demand and supply, unobtaniums are only going to get rarer and harder to find at appropriate prices, I'm not sure if you're observant with the Stax gear prices sold here on Headfi F/S section, but before I registered going back to my lurking days from 2004 before the forum system change and before I even gave a crap about Stax stuff and when nobody really gave a schit about Stax gear, Lambda Pro's selling for as low as $150 in working order, nothing broken, SRM1 MK2 (both normal bias) going for around $200-300 shipped, this was around the time where everyone here was raving on about the HD600/650's, before the AKG K701 came out. There are still some in the archive subforum section.

 

 

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Originally Posted by nemomec View Post

 

Same experience over the last year here in Europe! At this time costs a used SRM1 mk2 Pro between $400 - 500. The SRM-T1/T1 are more expensive, the SRM-T1 costs $600 - 700 and the SRM-T1S around $800.

The Euro ebay domain is more expensive than anywhere else. Sigma's being sold at $3000, T1 + Lambda Pro being at $1600. If you want good deals, look elsewhere. Just my observations.


Edited by DefQon - 7/30/13 at 11:51pm
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Ya you're talking about subset local communities and deals, not actual value.  I've seen a HD800 listed here for $700, a full Orpheus system in Europe for $7000, a SR-Omega in Japan for $1300, etc.  That doesn't mean that's what those are worth.  There's almost always an explanation for why some stuff gets sold for well below market value, and if the reason isn't apparent it's usually because the seller doesn't know what they have. 

 

The US audiophile market largely controls the prices of used Stax gear; this is why you'll see things sell for a bit cheaper on Yahoo Japan.  Normal going rate for a T1 can be $400 on Yahoo Japan, but that's before commission fees and (especially) shipping fees.  Final cost to door ends up being right in the range I stated earlier.  And that's without taking into account the additional time until it's in your possession, the nightmare occurrence if it arrives not as described, and the ability to change voltage on the units (which is not trivial on a lot of models).

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What determines there value? There original price or the average price of the same stuff being sold? From what I can see, some of the vintage earspeaker values are not really increasing unless you flip sales say you purchased something for $150 then sell it for $300? Heck as an example if you're just looking at ebay alone since 2011, prices on the amp's have increased then dropped and right now it's stagnated at the range I've mentioned $350-450, these are from seller's who know about the heritage of Stax and what they are selling (often described from the listings in the ads). Those prices you have listed for the said examples are just one off extreme lucky sales, they don't pop up for those prices if ever again, but the prices I have observed have set an average range that I have mentioned, not arguing my case, just from observations. This determines there value.

 

But I do agree that a nightmare can occur if the item arrives not as described from Japanese auctions, I've learnt this from a few of my purchases the the Japanese sellers on yahoo japan often skimp out on specific detail including photos, they just list it as "junk".


Edited by DefQon - 7/31/13 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post

I have been spoiled by all the full size NC machine tools at work, especially

the fully reconditioned WW2 monarch lathe, and if I could get 3 phase power

at home, I would find a way to acquire one. However I finally found something

that runs on single phase power, just need some teenage muscle to get

it into the basement.

http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_1100.html

Tormach, hahaha!  I was a software consultant during the very earliest stages of Tormach.  Tormach was started by an old friend of mine, Ed Korn, with the very earliest germ of the idea back about 1981. I told him, at that time, personal computers and their programming environment were not quite up to the task of controlling a home CNC. The IBM PC had just been introduced, and had no hard drive....I had an Osborne and was fiddling with LISP for CP/M.   In the 1990's, after I had moved to another city, PC technology was finally up to the task and by then Ed had secured a Chinese manufacturer that would build things to his standards- the rest, as they say, is history.  Tormach makes a good small CNC, from all accounts.  Heavy built.

 

Ed's a great guy, he helped me restore a Norton 750 Commando back in the day.

 

 

 


Edited by milosz - 7/31/13 at 2:47am
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

Ya you're talking about subset local communities and deals, not actual value.  I've seen a HD800 listed here for $700, a full Orpheus system in Europe for $7000, a SR-Omega in Japan for $1300, etc.  That doesn't mean that's what those are worth.  There's almost always an explanation for why some stuff gets sold for well below market value, and if the reason isn't apparent it's usually because the seller doesn't know what they have. 

 

The US audiophile market largely controls the prices of used Stax gear; this is why you'll see things sell for a bit cheaper on Yahoo Japan.  Normal going rate for a T1 can be $400 on Yahoo Japan, but that's before commission fees and (especially) shipping fees.  Final cost to door ends up being right in the range I stated earlier.  And that's without taking into account the additional time until it's in your possession, the nightmare occurrence if it arrives not as described, and the ability to change voltage on the units (which is not trivial on a lot of models).

 

^^THIS^^ - Well said. 

 

It kills me when folks are passing things up over $50 or so because they are comparing apples and oranges prices from around the world.

 

After spending some time here in the UK I now fully understand the impact of VAT, customs, etc... on the new and used market.  It can't be ignored.  Audio stuff goes for 20% or more above US prices here, full stop.

 

Also, to quote my favorite guys on Pawn Stars, we need to keep in mind what people are "asking" on-line and what they are getting.  Two different things.

 

Of course, sometimes we get lucky... $300 T1's, $600 HD-800's!  Two of my better scores.

 

 

*** More importantly, nice Norton!!

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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

mk2 has a port near the cable entry thus eliminating a proper seal.  

 

Been a while but aren't the mk2.5, which is what PriceJapan sells, not fixable?

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I think that the bad reputation is generated by very detailed comparisons at a very high level.  the MK2 is a damned good headphone on it's own.

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Hey guys I was browsing Price Japan, looking at the SR-009 price and drooling as usual, and then saw the 007MK2. The abandoned ugly child nobody likes or talks about. Remind me why this Omega sucks again?

 

From my previous reading I remember people hated them because they were rolled off in the extremes and also the coloration? Bass boost and dark upper-mids? Are there insane people who actually prefer this coloration over the SR-009? Or is this just not possible? What else sucks about the MK2? Other than the fact that it's not the Mk1 or the original Omega. I was thinking this coloration might work for those of us who actually listen to some pop?

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Hey one-thousand-six-hundred-and-ten page thread!

 

What y'all think of the SR-507, compared to the 007 and 009, if that trio was hypothetically priced the same?


Edited by Theta Alpha 1 - 7/31/13 at 4:43am
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As an owner of the 007MKII - I think they are worth the price. I heard them at  the recent LA meet w the Eddie Current Electra amp - sublime. Yes - probably slightly more colored than the 009s, but VERY enjoyable imho. You can always look for used and re-sell if you hate it - they tend to keep their value very well.

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Yeah I remember reading something about this. Something about trying to reduce the Stax fart. I'll try to look this mod up. Thanks n3rding!

 

This is the only Omega that's available within a reasonable price range for me personally. I really can't spend 009 kind of money no matter how good it is unless my fortunes change. I guess I could always try to find a used MK1... but I don't like buying things that have been out of production for awhile.

 

*It's funny how I was going to get the LCD-2 R2 + 2170 and now I'm looking at the 007MK2. This place... rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by shipsupt View Post

It kills me when folks are passing things up over $50 or so because they are comparing apples and oranges prices from around the world.

 

Of course, sometimes we get lucky... $300 T1's, $600 HD-800's!  Two of my better scores.

 

If I had the opportunity to post all the ebay item id's here of said sold SRM1 MK2 and T1 amps from every ebay domain around the world that I had in my excel spreadsheets since 2011, I don't think it is comparing apples and oranges of prices around the world (unless you include stuff from Japan directly), you will see yourself a nice up and down supply and demand trend if represented on a graph where prices only go up by a small amount (sometimes big amount) when attention is at it's most or influence from people and threads such as this when people google Stax gear etc. These are not lucky deals, the prices fluctuate so small between the auctions that what I can see it has set a new pre-determined value for said items but applies to other stuff as well. 

 

Yeah you do get the one off extreme once in a life time lucky deals such as $300 T1's, $600 Hd-800's, $1300 SR-Omega's etc. 

 

Now if I want to compare Apples and Oranges, that would be comparing Yahoo Japan auctions vs US/UK/AU/GE ebay prices, that is an example of apples and oranges comparison, but the Japanese themselves are not stupid themselves and are quite hardcore with the Stax as much as we are, as they most likely have there own Stax dedicated threads/forums as well. 

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Originally Posted by Theta Alpha 1 View Post

What y'all think of the SR-507, compared to the 007 and 009, if that trio was hypothetically priced the same?

If they were all priced at the 507's price, heck I'd take all 3. But imho, the differences between all 3 are not subtle. 007 sounds completely different to the 2. The 507 at least to my ears with the highs and upper mids sound a bit like the 009, bright at times bit cold actually for the 507. The 007 mk1's are laid compared to the bright 009 and 507's. 507 would've been the perfect Lambda for me personally if it weren't for that weird brightness it exhibits, almost as bad as a b22 + HD800 pairing, just damn cold and sterile sounding. I don't know why people ever raved about the b22 being the perfect amp for the HD800. :S

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Fair dinkum. 

 

Just curious, how did you take into account early listing closures, best offers, etc...? Or did you just use listed prices?

 

 

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

If I had the opportunity to post all the ebay item id's here of said sold SRM1 MK2 and T1 amps from every ebay domain around the world that I had in my excel spreadsheets since 2011, I don't think it is comparing apples and oranges of prices around the world (unless you include stuff from Japan directly), you will see yourself a nice up and down supply and demand trend if represented on a graph where prices only go up by a small amount (sometimes big amount) when attention is at it's most or influence from people and threads such as this when people google Stax gear etc. These are not lucky deals, the prices fluctuate so small between the auctions that what I can see it has set a new pre-determined value for said items but applies to other stuff as well. 

 

Yeah you do get the one off extreme once in a life time lucky deals such as $300 T1's, $600 Hd-800's, $1300 SR-Omega's etc. 

 

Now if I want to compare Apples and Oranges, that would be comparing Yahoo Japan auctions vs US/UK/AU/GE ebay prices, that is an example of apples and oranges comparison, but the Japanese themselves are not stupid themselves and are quite hardcore with the Stax as much as we are, as they most likely have there own Stax dedicated threads/forums as well. 

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Aight.

 

Next question what is the best DIY valve amplifier pairing for the 507 under $2000?  I'd love to take on a personal 'stat amp DIY challenge.

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probably the upcoming megatron, I think the total cost of the t2 goes well beyond 2k once casework is factored in
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You could do a KGSShv for under $2k if you don't go crazy with the chassis.  Sounds great with the 507.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Theta Alpha 1 View Post

Aight.

 

Next question what is the best DIY valve amplifier pairing for the 507 under $2000?  I'd love to take on a personal 'stat amp DIY challenge.

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