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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Gosh I've been loving my SR-202s. Even though the FR graph is probably farther away from neutral than my Mad Dogs, they just sound better and more neutral than the MDs, even though I payed more for the Dogs than my 2020 system.

I am loving my SRS-2170 too!
Frankly, I'm a bit relieved that I'm so satisfied with them. I don't feel the need to upgrade. Which is great, I really don't have the money for an upgrade for next several months, if ever.redface.gif
But I'm cool with that, I enjoy my SR-202 far more than any other mid level 'phone that I have. biggrin.gif
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They suck me thinks
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

Haha, I got to used to the 202's "brightness." So now it's more comfortable to listen to now. But another problem has arisen... Channel imbalance. Is that a common thing? For the imbalances to come and go? I swear it wasn't there last night.

 

Oh, I'll be heading to uni by then, so installing tactile transducers would be a waste, but that's an interesting idea! sounds like a fun experience.

I actually hated the LCD2's darkness. 

I do believe that the 007 will prob sound nice though. I'll prob leave full sizes behind soon. 

It's just so inconvenient to use :P. I guess I'll wait until after uni to decide on that stuff. 009 is  still impossible though.

Although I know someone who sold his 007 for the LCD2 slam. But of course, the reason for the switch  was because he got a 009 setup :).

 

Good to hear! It'll probably grow more on you :)

 

I haven't had the problem with Channel imbalance, yet (knock on wood). I do believe it tends to be because of the diaphragm losing its conductiveness on one side. If it ever happened to me and rather badly, I'd take my drivers out and recoat it with a conductive solution. Chinsetta is probably the authority here and he recommends antistatic solution. But this is just me as I prefer to solve problems at the core.

 

Just FYI, I think there's something from kickstarter that's sort of like tactile transducers, but portable: http://www.thesubpac.com/

 

If I listed down value for performance upgrades I've experienced so far it'll go:

  • Putting my own shunt attenuator (you can probably solder one yourself for less than 70USD if you're making a quad)
  • Tactile transducers (cost 45USD from Amazon since I already had an old amp from my old Creative speakers)
  • Realiser (expensive, yes, but it even makes my Creative Aurvana Live competitive!)

Edited by RiStaR - 7/25/13 at 4:55am
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"They suck me thinks"

Quoting Shakespeare?
Edited by Chris J - 7/25/13 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by RiStaR View Post

 

Good to hear! It'll probably grow more on you :)

 

I haven't had the problem with Channel imbalance, yet (knock on wood). I do believe it tends to be because of the diaphragm losing its conductiveness on one side. If it ever happened to me and rather badly, I'd take my drivers out and recoat it with a conductive solution. 

You do realise once you open them up and recoat it, chances are you will not get it to sound the same as before. If you get channel imbalance on an old model, seek after replacements or sell it off is the two things I would do.

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Not a good idea to open up the drivers unless you're a professional, or so I've heard.

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Originally Posted by Tus-Chan View Post

 

The Stax thread is usually more off-topic than it is on-topic. tongue.gif

 

Also, spritzer, I might be interested in buying your jerry-rigged Egmont amp, but I'd like to know more about it before I decide since it's such an oddity. Since you own both, how does it compare to the SRD-X?

 

The SRD-X is a fine solution for 80's tech to make a portable amp but it's quite a ways from a proper one.  The Egmont may not be the most advanced amp there is but build it with care and it is quite good.  More power, more drive etc. 

 

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Some prick snagged a a broken Sigma deal from under my nose. I'm coming for you...

 

Might have been me.... kinda think so...  redface.gif

 

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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

Is channel imbalance always a one-way ticket to driver death? I haven't really read any anecdotes about an electrostatic driver dying in such a fashion.

 

No but it can be a pretty clear indicator that something is very wrong. 

 

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Originally Posted by mudihan View Post

 

Thanks. I have compared these against the circuit board of my SRD-7SB and the SB seems quite dissimilar. 

 

I googled everywhere, and nobody seems to have posted a schematic for the SB. 

 

Most of these use the same setup as the wall powered variants but have a third transformer which steps up the outputs of the audio transformers again and are then fed into a 3 stage voltage multiplier. 

 

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

To be fair, I had a Stello DA220 mk2 at the time, so it could well have just been 'truth'.  That said, orthos to me so far have all been consistently liquid regardless of source.

 

Ding, ding... we have the culprit.  You are not the first one to blame the 007Mk1 for a source issue though. 

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

You do realise once you open them up and recoat it, chances are you will not get it to sound the same as before. If you get channel imbalance on an old model, seek after replacements or sell it off is the two things I would do.

 

Different folks different strokes.

 

1. Look for parts from an increasingly small supply - not my thing

2. "Throw away" something that can be repurposed - not my thing

3. Slight change to sound (just the conductivity of the diaphragm) - again that's what I would choose to do.

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Originally Posted by RiStaR View Post

Personally, I do one of the best value "upgrades" to go along with the 202s is a set of tactile transducers put into your chair. They aren't expensive and they really elevate the listening experience. You get detail and chest-pounding bass at the same time :)

Do you mean the "Buttkicker" sub?

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So... guys I keep going back and forth between getting the Stax 2170 basic system through Price Japan and or picking up my 3rd LCD-2 R2. I find the LCD-2 to be heavily colored and yes the upper-mid suck out makes me feel like I'm listening to music in a closet. The bass while awesome sometimes, is just as often fatiguing for me. I much prefer the HE-500's presentation and thus I've built my current rig. So why return to the LCD-2 for the 3rd time? I miss those lush/juicy/sexy vocals. And there are time I enjoy that particular coloration. So I guess my question is can someone describe the vocal capabilities of the 2170? Is it distant? thin sounding? More transparent than the LCD-2 with faster transient speed? Anything would help if you have any experience with either the HE-500/LCD-2 and the 2170 system or equivalent.

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So... guys I keep going back and forth between getting the Stax 2170 basic system through Price Japan and or picking up my 3rd LCD-2

 

The first thing you said about the LCD-2 was negative, so I'm guessing you'd probably be happier with something different.

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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

If there was such a thing as a reference design then it would be the Dynahi.  It has even been cloned into one of the most popular opamps in current use... redface.gif

 

Sorry for the OT, but which OPAMP?

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Might have been me.... kinda think so...  redface.gif

 

If it's you then it's fine since you will doing it some good but it came up you've been outbid by another kuboten member so yeah.

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

So... guys I keep going back and forth between getting the Stax 2170 basic system through Price Japan and or picking up my 3rd LCD-2 R2. I find the LCD-2 to be heavily colored and yes the upper-mid suck out makes me feel like I'm listening to music in a closet. The bass while awesome sometimes, is just as often fatiguing for me. I much prefer the HE-500's presentation and thus I've built my current rig. So why return to the LCD-2 for the 3rd time? I miss those lush/juicy/sexy vocals. And there are time I enjoy that particular coloration. So I guess my question is can someone describe the vocal capabilities of the 2170? Is it distant? thin sounding? More transparent than the LCD-2 with faster transient speed? Anything would help if you have any experience with either the HE-500/LCD-2 and the 2170 system or equivalent.

Considering what you said, I guess the choice is pretty obvious. Go try something new, will be much more of an adventure than the lcd2. Owning some sort of 'stat rig at some time must be a criteria for the proper audiophile wink.gif

 

In general vocals on the Stax' I have tried are quite the opposite of distant. Not that much weight to 'em with my Lambda Sig's, but they aren't tinny at all. They are what I'd call forward, but delicate with a bit of enhanced airyness. Very tactile indeed. But I haven't tried the 2170 system... Again I can tell you, that most stats excel in transparency (!) with great transients and a lot of clarity in general. Imaging is also outstanding with the Stax' I have tried.

 

The weak point can be that the sound might be a little dry and a lack of body. Also, the sound stage size aren't necessarily as stellar as the imaging. All I have said are just generalizations, and there is always exceptions...

 

If you want ultimate bang for your buck, you should consider going used/vintage.


Edited by davidsh - 7/25/13 at 5:18pm
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I'd say keep the LCD2 until you get the Stax stuff in. Since they are so opposite to each other in every way possible, I'd say they are good complementing headphones to keep if you listen to a wide variety of music. But for metal (Meshuggah, Periphery and all that djent, nu/black metal) stuff the LCD's (well powered) hands down sound awesome.  

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