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It also has a completely different power supply (big transformer, super-shunt regulation, lots of capacitance, etc). The point was that the 717 ain't the best amp Stax has made since 1983.
Yeah I forgot about the external PSU, my bad.

That PSU must make a big difference.
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That PSU must make a big difference.
Considering how poorly the PSU's in Stax's recent stuff stacks up to the beasts they had in the company's heyday (take the DMA-X1) I would expect a big step up.

Sometimes I miss old Stax.
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Considering how poorly the PSU's in Stax's recent stuff stacks up to the beasts they had in the company's heyday (take the DMA-X1) I would expect a big step up.
The PSU's are an often overlooked part. I've been debating with my self what to do with my Blue Hawaii because it is pretty simple to put a socket for an umbilical on the back and use an external PSU. The problem is whether to use the current design in a dual mono configuration and thus double the power or use something more elaborate.

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Sometimes I miss old Stax.
I miss old Stax quite a bit but they were more like artists then business men so the company could never survive. New Stax is much better managed so it has the resources to do some extensive engineering and survive in the long run. No strange and bizzare ideas that weren't fully thought through and no more grand leaps of faith like the T2
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Stax could have bought a large supply of NOS tubes for less then they buy new 6CG7's now. There isn't any other good explanation for doing this. .
Good possibility. I was surprised to see the 8V filament tubes in there. I may measure pin voltages later if I get time to see if they changed the filament supply voltage from 6-8V. I may also call Yamas and see if they know what's up with the change. If they changed the supply, that will mean you really can't tube swap with 6's. (OTOH, If they're putting 6V on those 8V filaments, would the tubes even work right? Seems unlikely, to me, as they wouldn't reach normal operating temperatures.)

It's kind of weird. Maybe when they revamped the PS (for DC on the filaments), they also upped the supply voltage to take advantage of stocks of 8V tubes, as Spritzer suggested. (Mine came from Stax with GEs) The only other difference I've found in the tube construction is a more squared-off shape to the plate structures on the 8s. Not much info out there on them. Be interesting to know the story behind the change. Anyone else who has a 7tII or 6tII should check what tubes came with it, and post here.
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The "best"

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I dunno... SRM-T2? SRA-14S?
Sorry - forgot the T2. I have never heard this amp. It certainly looks impressive. The term "best" was used in a rather sweeping maner. What I meant was in fact "neutral" and best for monitoring purposes. ( extended frequency range and dynamics )

For relaxed pleasant listening the 717 is perhaps not the best. Looking forward to listen to the 727. Anybody here with a 727 ?

Best regards

Tom
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For relaxed pleasant listening the 717 is perhaps not the best. Looking forward to listen to the 727. Anybody here with a 727 ?
Check out my post #2195. The 727II sounded rolled off on the O2's.

AudioD

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727

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Check out my post #2195. The 727II sounded rolled off on the O2's.
Thanks audiod. I can get that effect by feeeding the 717 from a tube cd player.

Tom
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Asked in a separate thread but don't think I got an answer... how much were the SR-Omegas priced at msrp originally O1's etc.
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Asked in a separate thread but don't think I got an answer... how much were the SR-Omegas priced at msrp originally O1's etc.
In Japan? Y180,000. The Omega 2 is Y185,000. Remeber that Japan has had almost no inflation in the past decade. Of course street prices for both would have been lower, the O2 goes for about Y158,000 tax inclusive.

In the US Stax prices have been gradulally falling for the last 20-odd years so you'd pay a lot less for an Omega 2 today than you would have paid for an SR-Ω in the early ninties, but only because of the drop in prices Stax stuff goes for across the board.
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Asked in a separate thread but don't think I got an answer... how much were the SR-Omegas priced at msrp originally O1's etc.
You did get an answer but I'll just repeat it here. The phones on their own were 3000$, bundled with the SRM-T1 4000$ and with the T1S 4500$.
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Oh laf. Then thanks here Spritzer. Yeah the last time I had checked that thread it had dropped to second or third page with no reply and I just gave up on it
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Oh laf. Then thanks here Spritzer. Yeah the last time I had checked that thread it had dropped to second or third page with no reply and I just gave up on it
The thread was on the third page just now. Should we all just give up on it?
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Things drop to the third page with frightening ease. That's why I find the new posts feature so useful sometimes.

Of course, I have the Stax thread in my favourites, like all good webpages
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Abandon the Stax thread, never!!

In other news it looks like I will have every TOTL Lambda (SR-Lambda, Pro, Signature, Nova Signature, 404) here with me soon so I can do a detailed comparison with multiple units of each type for cross checking. I'm still debating with my self whether I should buy the 4070 and SC-1 for a more complete review. So Carl, should I?

What I'm really looking forward to is the SR-X Mk2 and Koss ESP10. Rare(ish) vintage phones are always my favorite.
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Update: Factory 8FQ7 tubes in SRM-007tII

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Originally Posted by Downrange View Post
Good possibility. I was surprised to see the 8V filament tubes in there. I may measure pin voltages later if I get time to see if they changed the filament supply voltage from 6-8V. I may also call Yamas and see if they know what's up with the change. If they changed the supply, that will mean you really can't tube swap with 6's. (OTOH, If they're putting 6V on those 8V filaments, would the tubes even work right? Seems unlikely, to me, as they wouldn't reach normal operating temperatures.)

It's kind of weird. Maybe when they revamped the PS (for DC on the filaments), they also upped the supply voltage to take advantage of stocks of 8V tubes, as Spritzer suggested. (Mine came from Stax with GEs) The only other difference I've found in the tube construction is a more squared-off shape to the plate structures on the 8s. Not much info out there on them. Be interesting to know the story behind the change. Anyone else who has a 7tII or 6tII should check what tubes came with it, and post here.
I called Tats at Yamas yesterday and asked about the change in tubes in the 7tII. He said he would check with Stax and let me know, and, I just heard back from Tats. Apparently, Stax found a supply of the 8V tubes, and, upon testing, found them to perform marginally better than the 6FQ7s. As Tats said, I was "lucky" in getting one of these specimens, as they've now gone back to using the 6s. They apparently had a limited supply of the GE 8s, carefully matched them up as sets to go in amplifiers, and now just have a small stock kept back for service replacements. He confirmed that they did make a heater power supply adjustment so the tubes are being run on 8v, and cautioned that if I wanted to use 6V tubes, to send it to them first, so they could set the voltage accordingly.

Sooo..... I guess I'm OK with all this, as I've been pretty happy with the sound of the 7tII I have, but, for those thinking of buying one, you might want to confirm which tubes (and heater voltage setting) the particular specimen you are buying contains. That way you can be sure you're getting a 6V model so as to preserve the option to tube roll with 6V tubes without having to change over the heater PS. Or, you can look around for one of the group to have the 8s. But Tats cautioned there are only so many out there with 8s. Frankly, I doubt if there's much of a performance difference, but Tats said the 8s did measure a little better.

When I get a chance, I'll take a closer look inside and see if I can figure out if there are any simple adjustments for the 6 vs. 8 V. heater settings - might just be an extra tap off the transformer windings....

Anyway, mystery solved. Anyone who's bought a 7tII or 7tA, check to see what tubes it came with. I'm curious to see how many there are out there.
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