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post #226 of 18428
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
Great site you've got there. I would like to point out one error that Stax introduced the SR-1 (the first ear speaker) in 1959 and it started production in 1960 so better make that 50's instead of 70's in the first line...
Thanks! Yep, I should've fact-checked that a bit more (meaning some!). I will change that. I almost put 60's on there... I had no idea they dated back to the '50s!
post #227 of 18428
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Originally Posted by audiod
I think that comparing headphones to loudspeakers is comparing apples and oranges...
This can't be repeated often enough, at least until people stop comparing listening to recordings, 99.9 % of which were made for speaker listening, on headphones and then declaring that yup, speakers are better-- without reporting on the results of the reverse situation, binaural recordings on speakers versus headphones.

It used to be that buying the SR-X was the only way to enjoy truly high-end sound without spending tens of thousands of dollars. Today things are a bit different. We're lucky enough to be able to afford both and enjoy both. But we shouldn't compare the two styles of listening based solely on recordings where image placement is largely done through intensity differences. This is as good a place as any to point to the quixotic efforts of Ralph Glasgal to make a hybrid cross of the two ways of listening. To say that it's not for everybody is an understatement. But his heroic efforts are a good tutorial on the differences between the two estates.
post #228 of 18428
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
This can't be repeated often enough, at least until people stop comparing listening to recordings, 99.9 % of which were made for speaker listening, on headphones and then declaring that yup, speakers are better-- without reporting on the results of the reverse situation, binaural recordings on speakers versus headphones.

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wualta,
I would think that a binaural recording made with a true dummy head with lifelike ears with a pair of DPA microphones played back on Stax SR-003’s would be scary fantastic! That would probably put any 2 channel audio system to shame.

AudioD
post #229 of 18428
Multichannel DVD-A and SACD, let alone normal DVD need more Dolby headphone or binaural tracks IMHO.

Only 2 dvds I can think of have a dolby headphoen track. Pearl Harbour and T2- R2 Ultimate with WMP9 HD.

And lets be honest. No amount of dolby headphone tracks or free included stax headphones is going to get me to watch Pearl Harbour again.
post #230 of 18428
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Originally Posted by Lloyd297 View Post
The answers are yes, no, yes, and variable........

Another thing: if you like stats for what I think they often do wrong, you may not like the 6328's. If you like to luxuriate in misty, vague, impressionistic soundscapes all the time you may not like the 6328's. .
I don't know which stats you are referring to with the above comment, but there is nothing misty, vague or impressionistic about the music I hear when I listen to my Staxen.
post #231 of 18428
just a question before i get a serious case of buyer's remorse

in the opinion of the experienced stax users who've heard these setups or parts of this setup,

would a lambda pro + SRM1/mk2 sound better than an SR-404 + SRM-323a ???

cost taken out of the equation which would you prefer?

thanks!
post #232 of 18428
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Originally Posted by d-cee View Post
just a question before i get a serious case of buyer's remorse

in the opinion of the experienced stax users who've heard these setups or parts of this setup,

would a lambda pro + SRM1/mk2 sound better than an SR-404 + SRM-323a ???

cost taken out of the equation which would you prefer?

thanks!
Well I haven't heard the 323 or it's predecessor the 313, but I will say that I wold take the Lambda Pro over the 404.
post #233 of 18428
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Originally Posted by thrice View Post
Well I haven't heard the 323 or it's predecessor the 313, but I will say that I wold take the Lambda Pro over the 404.
really?

for some reason just looking at the current and old lineups, i was made to believe that the Lambda Signatures are equivalent to today's SR-404 and the Lambda Pro was equivalent to today's SR-303

i know a lot of people prefer the vintage stuff, but like, did the old Lambda series actually sound better or is it a case of sentimentality and stuff...??
post #234 of 18428
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Originally Posted by d-cee View Post
in the opinion of the experienced stax users who've heard these setups or parts of this setup,

would a lambda pro + SRM1/mk2 sound better than an SR-404 + SRM-323a ???

cost taken out of the equation which would you prefer?

thanks!
I have both and would take the Lambda Pro over the 404.
post #235 of 18428
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
And lets be honest. No amount of dolby headphone tracks or free included stax headphones is going to get me to watch Pearl Harbour again.
Tora! Tora! Tora! was way better. I'd pay for a Dolby Headphone mix of that.

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Originally Posted by d-cee View Post
just a question before i get a serious case of buyer's remorse

in the opinion of the experienced stax users who've heard these setups or parts of this setup,

would a lambda pro + SRM1/mk2 sound better than an SR-404 + SRM-323a ???

cost taken out of the equation which would you prefer?

thanks!
Well, quite a few people prefer the more airy character of the LPs over the 4030 combo. But even if you don't, I have a suspicion that a WTT in the for sale section might be able to net you a 4030 combo in exchange for them.
post #236 of 18428
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Originally Posted by edstrelow View Post
It's hard to argue about equipment you haven't heard and I haven't heard these speakers. I have seen some other reviews and they are generally positive for "monitor use" which in my understanding means optimised for falt frequency response and power handling. Those are pretty good things to have in any speaker, but there is an issue about detail, which your descriptions seem to gloss over. For example, how do you feel low level detail viscerally? Listen at 120dB?

However, I have heard the Stax SRXIII's which you consider to be in the running as good phones. In fact I owned them and long ago got rid of them. I know there are some fans of them here, but they lacked bass and had a honky midrange. Even run through a pretty good power amp and a transformer I wasn't impressed. At any rate they are 30 year old technology, using low bias and thick diaphragms. If those were my best stat phones, I would probably prefer speakers too.

You mention the 404's, which are representative of modern stats, but don't say what you are running them with. They can be very good although the consensus is that the Omega is better, but at at about 8 times the price it should be. Most complaints about the 404 are about treble etch, and lack of mid bass. However, I sure wouldn't describe them as "misty...vague and impressionistic."
Given that you rate the Sigma so highly, and that's a thirty-year-old phone, this is very interesting......

BTW you did read the other equipment I own, most of which is far newer than thirty-years? And I do own the 404, Stax's current #2 phone complete with matching 006t amp, and I'm sorry but the X-III is a far more accurate and detailed phone - at least from 100-5000 Hz. Somebody obviously forgot to tell it that it's thirty years old and it should curl up its toes and die in embarrassment.......

Low-level detail does sound visceral through the JBL's in a way it doesn't through the phones and I'm not listening at lease-breaking levels. For instance, a brushed cymbal will sound palpable in the same way it does live. If you hear live instruments you will sense that the sound is still physical even when it's very soft. This is one of the things I've been trying to replicate for years. And the stat phones do not do it, although the X-III comes a damn sight closer than the Lambda or the 404.

You say I gloss over the question of detail but what does all the descriptions of how easily it is to follow the instruments and voices entail?
post #237 of 18428

003s/Binaural Recording

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Originally Posted by audiod View Post
wualta,
I would think that a binaural recording made with a true dummy head with lifelike ears with a pair of DPA microphones played back on Stax SR-003’s would be scary fantastic! That would probably put any 2 channel audio system to shame.

AudioD
I don't know if it would put a good two-channel system to shame, but the following binaural recording is astonishing through the 003s. In particular, try the last movement, "Peaux":

Iannis Xenakis
Pleiades
Les Percussions de Strasbourg
Harmonia Mundi HMC 905185
ADD

As music, this may not be to everyone's tastes. It's very likely still in print.
post #238 of 18428
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Originally Posted by audiod View Post
I think that comparing headphones to loudspeakers is comparing apples and oranges. Even headphones like the AKG K-1000, Jecklyn Float and Stax Sigma do not place the image on a stage some distance in front of the listener like a loudspeaker. I think that if you compare your JBL’s to other Electrostatic loudspeakers (like Quad ESL57 or 63, Martin Logan CLS, Sound Lab…) you will find that they provide a more transparent and accurate window onto the original recording (good or bad). .
Sure, domestic speakers do sound radically different from headphones, especially at typical listening distances of 9-12 feet, but we're talking about pro nearfields here. The sound in the nearfield is very close to headphones in its proximity and sense of intimacy.

As for the stats being more accurate and transparent I have had Quad, Stax, and Final stats in my listening room, I have heard Martin-Logans in various stores, I own two sets of Stax stat phones (which are at least the equal of the speakers you mention in transparency), I own Apogee ribbon speakers which are generally considered near SOTA in terms of panel resolution and I will put one hand on my heart, the other on the Bible, and swear you can hear a lot more of what's on the recording and exactly what and how the musicians are playing through the 6328's.....
post #239 of 18428
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Originally Posted by BluePhone View Post
I don't know which stats you are referring to with the above comment, but there is nothing misty, vague or impressionistic about the music I hear when I listen to my Staxen.
Well, if you're talking about Lambda's you're obviously acclimatized so much to their particular idiosyncracies that you don't even notice it any more........

The X-III isn't misty-sounding but the Sigma is extremely distant and vague. The Lambda comes somewhere between the two.
post #240 of 18428
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lloyd297 View Post
Well, if you're talking about Lambda's you're obviously acclimatized so much to their particular idiosyncracies that you don't even notice it any more........

The X-III isn't misty-sounding but the Sigma is extremely distant and vague. The Lambda comes somewhere between the two.
There's nothing vague sounding about the Sigma Pro in my setup. It's not without its flaws, but being vaguish isn't one of them.
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