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Solude: Design, build and market your own estat amp for what you think is a reasonable price and do a consistent job of it. If you can do that, turn a profit and feed yourself (and any family you have to support) we'll be ecstatic. The cost of these things isn't in the parts inside, just as the costs in any product you buy in a store aren't in the materials alone. smile.gif

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^^^A big plus one on that.

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I believe audio products should be priced according to their performance among the competition.  If you believe the LL is worth three times the retail price of the KGSS while HeadAmp sold them, have at it.  And likewise if you think the LL performs at the same level of the BHSE... it's your money.  Was surprised to see Tyll not scope the group though.  Would have been interesting to see if the stax mafia data matched an 'independent' lab's results.

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I believe audio products should be priced according to their performance among the competition.  If you believe the LL is worth three times the retail price of the KGSS while HeadAmp sold them, have at it.  And likewise if you think the LL performs at the same level of the BHSE... it's your money.  Was surprised to see Tyll not scope the group though.  Would have been interesting to see if the stax mafia data matched an 'independent' lab's results.

The key words are among the competition.  The LL is not "competing" with the KGSS as it was out of production by the time it was released.  At $4250 is it worth two thirds of the cost of a fully decked out BHSE (6K+ decent tubes)?  I think that would be a fairer comparison.  

 

If the competition can include discontinued products, then it could include DIY efforts - heck, someone just sold a nice KGSSHV on the forums for $1850.  Is the LL "worth" it compared to that?  I would say not.  But that is not what it is competing with.  So compared to the solid state Stax offerings, which are its only currently commercially available competition?  Quite a bit better.  Whether its 3K better is obviously up to the buyer to decide.


Edited by Radio_head - 12/27/12 at 7:53pm
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Solude: Design, build and market your own estat amp for what you think is a reasonable price and do a consistent job of it. If you can do that, turn a profit and feed yourself (and any family you have to support) we'll be ecstatic. The cost of these things isn't in the parts inside, just as the costs in any product you buy in a store aren't in the materials alone. smile.gif
Wise words written by a wiseman. Seriously, try to build not one, but many, while at the same time selling a reliable product to a finicky customer. Good luck with that, especially with electrostatics. There is a reason why there are not many builders. Justin builds superb products. Although I don't know Cavalli's products well, I am willing to bet he is also very good at what he does.
There was a guy here last year who tried to make money selling expensive DIY KGSSHV whose quality was dismal.
I doubt you can make a living selling for less.
Edited by gilency - 12/27/12 at 9:23pm
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Solude: Design, build and market your own estat amp for what you think is a reasonable price and do a consistent job of it. If you can do that, turn a profit and feed yourself (and any family you have to support) we'll be ecstatic. The cost of these things isn't in the parts inside, just as the costs in any product you buy in a store aren't in the materials alone. smile.gif

 

I still have to get those boards and whatever spares you don't off ya'. The recent KGSSHV ad on the forums got that fire burning again.

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Nice to see there's a few voices of reason around here...
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"The recent KGSSHV ad on the forums got that fire burning again."

Not sure why one thing leads to another but that ad was a lot of the reason I pulled the pin on a pair of 009s.

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Nice to see there's a few voices of reason around here...
 

 

I think people don't realise how much it takes to actually start a business building and selling audio gear, or even just start a business and must imagine it is just soldering parts on a board and throwing it all in a box. Maybe we should encourage Solude to DIY a KGSSHV at least. I think then he'll gain an appreciation of what a PITA it is to do a single amp, let alone a bunch of them. 

 

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I believe audio products should be priced according to their performance among the competition.  If you believe the LL is worth three times the retail price of the KGSS while HeadAmp sold them, have at it.  And likewise if you think the LL performs at the same level of the BHSE... it's your money.  Was surprised to see Tyll not scope the group though.  Would have been interesting to see if the stax mafia data matched an 'independent' lab's results.

 

I think Head-Fi members should be graded on their ability to accurately respond to a post addressing what was said and not the imagined implication. tongue.gif

 

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Solude: Design, build and market your own estat amp for what you think is a reasonable price and do a consistent job of it. If you can do that, turn a profit and feed yourself (and any family you have to support) we'll be ecstatic. The cost of these things isn't in the parts inside, just as the costs in any product you buy in a store aren't in the materials alone. smile.gif

 

I still have to get those boards and whatever spares you don't off ya'. The recent KGSSHV ad on the forums got that fire burning again.

 

I'm due to do another big Mouser order and sort out ordering all the sand too, so feel free to bug me via iMessage.

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I still have to get those boards and whatever spares you don't off ya'. The recent KGSSHV ad on the forums got that fire burning again.

Heck, if that sell encourages more DIY builds, that, to me, is worth more than anything else.

I strongly encourage you guys to get your feet wet on doing a few builds. Start with a simple Cmoy then go from there.

It is very satisfying to make something that works.

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I chose my words carefully. I said electrostatic headphones. It didn't have to be made by stax. 

 

To give you an idea, I am the kind of guy who would rather buy something cheap. Learn how it works. And then build something similar to really expensive items on a budget. 

 

That is why I am looking to play around with something more than actually looking for good audio. 


See if you can stretch to about $500 and wait for a Koss ESP950 setup on the used forum. One was offered in late October by K_19. Since it include an "amp," this should be in your price range.

I had these 20 yrs ago and still have very fond feelings about them and liked them a lot better than the HD600s I tried later on. Good luck.

 

Also, the magnetic planars are similar to stat phones, so there is the Hifiman route, also maybe used.


Edited by rgs9200m - 12/27/12 at 9:38pm
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For those who don't keep up with the Electra thread, it is now available for pre-order:

 

http://www.eddiecurrent.com/Electra.html

 

$3500 includes all 8 tubes, Jentzen silver caps adds $50.

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For those who don't keep up with the Electra thread, it is now available for pre-order:

 

http://www.eddiecurrent.com/Electra.html

 

$3500 includes all 8 tubes, Jentzen silver caps adds $50.

 

That's pretty decent pricing. Wonder who's going to be the first guinea pig to give this a shot and compare it against the BHSE, LL, and WES.

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Oh that looks promising =)  So glad the original concept got tossed.

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That's pretty decent pricing. Wonder who's going to be the first guinea pig to give this a shot and compare it against the BHSE, LL, and WES.

I can think of at least two members who will have the big three of BHSE, Electra, LL.  Don't know if they'll compare though.

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