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There is no LG review on that site.  It's mentioned in the canjam report with a short blurb, but is buried on page 4 of 5.

 

I personally don't put much stock by the avguide review either way, seems like they were off on more than one point and I don't think they heard them all side by side (let alone having different reviewers doing the different reviews and them comparing them retroactively to what other reviewers said about other amps.)  Tyll definitely had everything at once, is intimately familiar with headphones (though perhaps less so with stats than other headphones) and the market.

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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post

I don't think anyone has ever criticized the sound of the LL. The only negative I've read was what it would cost to build that amp vs what you paid. Not everyone likes totally neutral either, especially the way some CD's are recorded, or the type of music - which is why some people lean towards the side of warm (LL, or WES for lushness). As far as the AVguide review goes, if you look at the numbers and comments they posted, it's really a joke (I read somewhere that a marketing company helped with the review of the LG on the same site, so who knows).

Alex honestly isn't making enough money on the LL to even think about Cavalli Audio as a full time business right now.

As for 'helping his review' (which doesn't exist). He can't afford nor needs to pay for good reviews and I'm sure Justin doesn't need to either.
post #20478 of 24765

Guess it depends what you think your full time effort is worth because there is no way there is $2750 more parts cost in this...

 

 

 

Than this...

 


Edited by Solude - 12/27/12 at 11:02am
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Guess it depends what you think your full time effort is worth because there is no way there is $3000 more parts cost in this...

 

 

 

Than this...

 

Good thing too, as it doesn't cost $3000 more.  (Unless you are assuming the next run, which is rumored to me more expensive, but was also rumored to have updated looks.

 

Alex is not making nearly as much on these units as people think he is. Parts themselves have a certain cost, but things like assembly (he gets this done at a top notch assembly place), custom chassis and transformer costs, and small touches like the custom piezo and knob done by an auto paint shop add up.  Obviously it will be nowhere near the cost of DIY, but that's what businesses need to do to remain solvent- they need to make money.

 

I don't know what Justin's markup was on the KGSS but I have a feeling that to make it worth his while doing a KGSSHV in the future he would charge at least $4000 (with great build quality I am sure.)

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Tyll seems to know something as his review pegs it at '~5k'. Wouldn't surprised me if all the amps went up due to new casework (as well as things like a new PSU in the new LF) and the simple fact he's probably trying to keep the business a-float.

 

The fact he sells direct for the most part makes his profit margins even smaller (as it does for anyone with a small company that does this). 

 

EDIT: The fact that he only does high end amps makes it tough as well. They're much harder to sell enough of to survive than a few more 'affordable' products.

 

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Good thing too, as it doesn't cost $3000 more.  (Unless you are assuming the next run, which is rumored to me more expensive, but was also rumored to have updated looks.

 

Alex is not making nearly as much on these units as people think he is. Parts themselves have a certain cost, but things like assembly (he gets this done at a top notch assembly place), custom chassis and transformer costs, and small touches like the custom piezo and knob done by an auto paint shop add up.  Obviously it will be nowhere near the cost of DIY, but that's what businesses need to do to remain solvent- they need to make money.

 

I don't know what Justin's markup was on the KGSS but I have a feeling that to make it worth his while doing a KGSSHV in the future he would charge at least $4000 (with great build quality I am sure.)


Edited by MorbidToaster - 12/27/12 at 10:07am
post #20481 of 24765

Selling direct increases your margin. Selling through distributors may end up giving you more sales, but the margins are smaller unless you drastically increase price, distributors and dealers take a huge chunk.  As long as you don't have to pay for a storefront dealing direct is the best way to keep all costs down and give customers a better price, especially on a product with smaller runs.

 

Rumors are just that - rumors.  I wouldn't assume anything about pricing and availability until pre-orders are open for a product.  Heck, Craig told me the Electra would be $2200 in its first iteration.  Fast forward and its looking like $3500 first run but who knows, that could still go up.

post #20482 of 24765

dear karlgerman,

 

I've telephoned malvalve and askes if I could test their amp with my phones. THey told me that this is possible. But it is still a little bit far away. I hope I'll come there in summer.

 

Regards Georg
 

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Originally Posted by Radio_head View Post

There is no LG review on that site.  It's mentioned in the canjam report with a short blurb, but is buried on page 4 of 5.

 

I personally don't put much stock by the avguide review either way, seems like they were off on more than one point and I don't think they heard them all side by side (let alone having different reviewers doing the different reviews and them comparing them retroactively to what other reviewers said about other amps.)  Tyll definitely had everything at once, is intimately familiar with headphones (though perhaps less so with stats than other headphones) and the market.

Thanks. I meant the LF review on Playback (same company as AVguide). You can read it on Audio Marketmakers home page.


Edited by Golfnutz - 12/27/12 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by Radio_head View Post

Selling direct increases your margin. Selling through distributors may end up giving you more sales, but the margins are smaller unless you drastically increase price, distributors and dealers take a huge chunk.  As long as you don't have to pay for a storefront dealing direct is the best way to keep all costs down and give customers a better price, especially on a product with smaller runs.

 

Yup.

 

--

 

I know it does no good to whine that amp X didn't make the showdown, but anyway, I do lament that a KGGSHV didn't.  

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Originally Posted by Radio_head View Post

Good thing too, as it doesn't cost $3000 more.

 

Fixed, only $2750 more :D

post #20486 of 24765
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Originally Posted by Radio_head View Post

Selling direct increases your margin. Selling through distributors may end up giving you more sales, but the margins are smaller unless you drastically increase price, distributors and dealers take a huge chunk.  As long as you don't have to pay for a storefront dealing direct is the best way to keep all costs down and give customers a better price, especially on a product with smaller runs.

Rumors are just that - rumors.  I wouldn't assume anything about pricing and availability until pre-orders are open for a product.  Heck, Craig told me the Electra would be $2200 in its first iteration.  Fast forward and its looking like $3500 first run but who knows, that could still go up.

To an extent but depending on the increase in volume it could help make more money. Not that it really matters much. The bottom line is that he's not making much money with his current setup.
post #20487 of 24765

How much was the KGSS? I remember it being 2K but maybe my memory is off.  LL was $4250.

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$1500 originally, $1800 when it was dropped.

post #20489 of 24765

If one is not able to do DIY how can a KGSS be had? Does Justin still make one upon request? 

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If one is not able to do DIY how can a KGSS be had? Does Justin still make one upon request? 

 

Be patient, wait and buy a used one.

 

No, he does not build them anymore.

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