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Oh no I agree. I had my 009 in Dallas, but for the price I was impressed by the 404 LE.
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Need you guys' opinion. Thinking about picking up a 3/4/507 + 323S to begin my foray into stats, and work up. However, my main rig is a TH900 + Liquid fire. Is my proposed beginner Stax rig going to be a cool compliment? Or a complete waste of time? Should I just wait and skip the Stax journey by going 009 when the funds allow?

 

Get a used Stax combo here on the forums.  When you have the money for a 009 rig down the road you can always sell the combo for minimal loss, that way you have a Stax rig right away.  Any of the Lambda series headphones will sound very different from the TH900.

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Get a used Stax combo here on the forums.  When you have the money for a 009 rig down the road you can always sell the combo for minimal loss, that way you have a Stax rig right away.  Any of the Lambda series headphones will sound very different from the TH900.

 

exactly.............just don't listen to the 009 too often before you are close to having saved all you need for the 009.  gs1000.gif

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That's exactly what I was planning to do, and hoping for that different sound. Just hoping the quality of that "lower end" Stax headphone won't leave me wanting too much. 

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Ha indeed! I was just hoping that Stax speed and soundstage would be better for stuff like chamber music even at the lower Stax range. But it seems like I'd be going backward to a certain extent. 

Just food for thought, maybe the HD800s? They are amazing on the LF and a great contrast to the TH-900s. Yeah, I know, this is the Stax thread. tongue.gif


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/13/12 at 5:27pm
post #20076 of 24765

Good thought, and I did think of that too... that or the HE-500... but I really want to get away from these sounds and get to that super speed and transparency from the Stax. I know those other two do that very well (HD800/HE-500), but the Stax is just different, and I want to start down that path that leads me to the 009. I just don't know if any of the other Stax Lambda models are worth investing in along the way. 

 

Edit: will they give me something special? MF describes the 507 as ethereal. That's nice, but how "ethereal" is the TH900. how will the magic, if any, be different or worth it? Or is TH900 the very best I can do until I get a 009, and the Stax journey is a waste of time?


Edited by SoundFreaq - 11/13/12 at 7:27pm
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I certainly haven't heard a TH900 (or even many headphones past AD700-tier), but no dynamic headphone I've heard sounds like any of the Stax I've tried (SR-Lambda, SR-202, and to a very limited and not-ideal extent, SR-303). I think it just has to do with the nature of electrostatic drivers; I'll know for sure if I ever get the chance to audition the Koss ESP/950, which many say that it sounds very much like an electrostatic, yet very unlike Stax.

 

Part of it is that "ethereal" sensation people describe, airiness beyond airiness. It's like the sound itself is just sort of floating, flowing into your eardrums, instead of being shoved in. On the flip side, this generally means less tactile impact that some people crave, especially bassheads. (The SR-009 seems to be a notable exception, often being touted as "Stax with impact", but I can't vouch for that myself because I've never heard them and certainly don't have the finances to buy them outright.)

 

It also seems "effortless", like the drivers aren't struggling at all to reproduce the sound. That may explain the warnings to not turn the volume up to ear-damaging levels because of the lack of distortion at higher volumes...

 

I can't say that it'll be better or worse, just different, and that you'll have to decide whether you prefer it or not. Just because I like the vintage SR-Lambda a lot doesn't mean I expect everyone else to, due to the subjective nature of this hobby.

post #20078 of 24765
^ Speaking about mid-tier dynamics with the ethereal/effortless trait, you should try a Sony SA5000, It outperforms the Sr-202 in resolving ability in the very fundamental frequencies (except maybe the very last bottom octave, dont remember) and is clearer with better defined headstage. The timbre though is much more natural with the 202, as well as the more spacious soundscape and yeah it's does the 'pull notes out of thin air' trick more convincingly. The SA5000 is just a step behind though. Amping was done with the KGSS and SPL Auditor which certainly helped to showcase the characteristics of each 'phones as close thru 'wire-with-gain' as possible. So it certainly isn,t myth regarding the effortlessness factor of even basic Stats compared to more expensive and inherently fast dynamics but i could live with any of them just well in this angle had i not been such a spoiled bastard that i am today :p
Edited by Amarphael - 11/14/12 at 6:46am
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Lordy, just sold my SA5000. 

 

Edit: I loved it's natural timbre. Most natural I have ever heard with strings. More natural than TH900. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 11/14/12 at 8:11am
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If it were me, I would go for a second hand SR-007 Mk1 or Mk2. That's what I moved up from with the Lambda Nova Sig which is very close

to the 407. I would say the difference is quite a big jump. And the 007s can be had for around 1,0 - 1.4 k US.

 

Do you need a new amp to run the Stax? If not, you are really super ready for the 007s and later the 009s if you wanted that extra detail.

 

Personally I am well happy with the bass and darker sound of the 007s, as was getting tired of the digital sound anyway, even though I run a tubed DAC.

The 009s will need a seriously smooth front end if digital, or you will be leaving them on the side a bit too much.... 

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Sorry, don't agree here. The sr-007s or 009s are a big jump from the 407 or 507 period. The Lambda clones are very transparent, and do sound great.

BUT when you have the 007s or 009s, you will not want to go back. Also, I just don't get the folk out there who say I don't worry about bass response as I listen to choral or orchestral. There is a LOT of deep and atmospheric sound emanating from most of my classical recording, that really makes them more realistic. If it is there, why not hear it?

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Gonna have to disagree. As someone who prefers a tube source I still think if the digital front end is good enough it doesn't really matter tubed or otherwise. Unless you consider a very detailed sound 'digital'.

 

Looking forward to hearing a Resolution Audio Cantana soon and seeing how that works out. 

 

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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post

If it were me, I would go for a second hand SR-007 Mk1 or Mk2. That's what I moved up from with the Lambda Nova Sig which is very close

to the 407. I would say the difference is quite a big jump. And the 007s can be had for around 1,0 - 1.4 k US.

 

Do you need a new amp to run the Stax? If not, you are really super ready for the 007s and later the 009s if you wanted that extra detail.

 

Personally I am well happy with the bass and darker sound of the 007s, as was getting tired of the digital sound anyway, even though I run a tubed DAC.

The 009s will need a seriously smooth front end if digital, or you will be leaving them on the side a bit too much.... 

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The 009s will need a seriously smooth front end if digital, or you will be leaving them on the side a bit too much.... 

 

 

 

I stand by that. Tubed for me is best, but SS can sound as good if it's the right gear. I think the problem may exist with Digital in general, i.e. the top end response is so ruthless. Vinyl, and before that Open Real is by nature a filter that calms those registers down. I am sure SS amp designers build in a similar filter, a circuit to do just that. Otherwise, it's like the human ear is stuffed into each (direct microphoned to digital mixing deck) instrument. Speakers are more forgiving than revealing headphones as well. The distance to the listener, the soft furnishings, acoustic panels, all doing the filter thing again. It is the same at a live concert, unless you are one of the people damaging your ears at the front. If it's not really clean, those 009s are going to be like using a Doctors Stethoscope on an old engine, they WILL reveal everything, and it won't be nice. It will mean you won't listen as often, or you will be on the upgrade obsession all over again. And, going back to the original tubes v SS conversation, maybe tubes are bringing organic and warmth, and maybe a tamed treble, to the table? Just like for some Vinyl still is.

 

God knows? All I know is I have done SS and tubes, and right now, I am real happy with what I hear.

 

 

On the headphones, what I am saying is the Lambdas are a very different sound balance to the 007s or 009s.

Nobody can deny the Lambdas transparency, or sound stage width, or their success with vocal music for example.

But to seriously come close to the lower registers, and get the solid drive in dynamics, it has to be the 007s or 009s. I know the price and build is at another level, but I wonder if the Lambdas weakness (aside form the treble etch) is because they have an open construction. The 007s for example seem to be a semi open chamber, in a way a bit like a semi closed speaker baffle.

It could be the reason the bass is much stronger along with other aspects.

 

All you guys are into the best sound possible, and to get that we have spend $$$s finding it. For me, I feel a bit of that path was ******** from manufacturers. I have found my way in the end by listening and not reading the adverts so much. I honestly believe the advice on this forum is worth lots more than reviews in the magazines. Don't you sometimes finish reading yet another gushing review, and read, 'I liked it so much it's a keeper' Yeah, get it for free for the glowing review? I makes me wonder....

 

 

post #20084 of 24765
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post

If it were me, I would go for a second hand SR-007 Mk1 or Mk2. That's what I moved up from with the Lambda Nova Sig which is very close

to the 407. I would say the difference is quite a big jump. And the 007s can be had for around 1,0 - 1.4 k US.

 

Do you need a new amp to run the Stax? If not, you are really super ready for the 007s and later the 009s if you wanted that extra detail.

 

Personally I am well happy with the bass and darker sound of the 007s, as was getting tired of the digital sound anyway, even though I run a tubed DAC.

The 009s will need a seriously smooth front end if digital, or you will be leaving them on the side a bit too much.... 

Nah, my 009s are smooth as silk and even a bit warm with my EMM cdp and a Stax 007t/ii amp.

(I did need a Shunyata Anaconda VX power cord on the cd player though to add some needed warmth, so you are not entirely off the mark I have to concede, but some judicious cable selection,

amp selection and CD player selection will deal with the 009s nicely.)


Edited by rgs9200m - 11/14/12 at 5:01pm
post #20085 of 24765
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post

 

 

 

 

I stand by that. Tubed for me is best, but SS can sound as good if it's the right gear. I think the problem may exist with Digital in general, i.e. the top end response is so ruthless. Vinyl, and before that Open Real is by nature a filter that calms those registers down. I am sure SS amp designers build in a similar filter, a circuit to do just that. Otherwise, it's like the human ear is stuffed into each (direct microphoned to digital mixing deck) instrument. Speakers are more forgiving than revealing headphones as well. The distance to the listener, the soft furnishings, acoustic panels, all doing the filter thing again. It is the same at a live concert, unless you are one of the people damaging your ears at the front. If it's not really clean, those 009s are going to be like using a Doctors Stethoscope on an old engine, they WILL reveal everything, and it won't be nice. It will mean you won't listen as often, or you will be on the upgrade obsession all over again. And, going back to the original tubes v SS conversation, maybe tubes are bringing organic and warmth, and maybe a tamed treble, to the table? Just like for some Vinyl still is.

 

God knows? All I know is I have done SS and tubes, and right now, I am real happy with what I hear.

 

On the headphones, what I am saying is the Lambdas are a very different sound balance to the 007s or 009s.

Nobody can deny the Lambdas transparency, or sound stage width, or their success with vocal music for example.

But to seriously come close to the lower registers, and get the solid drive in dynamics, it has to be the 007s or 009s. I know the price and build is at another level, but I wonder if the Lambdas weakness (aside form the treble etch) is because they have an open construction. The 007s for example seem to be a semi open chamber, in a way a bit like a semi closed speaker baffle.

It could be the reason the bass is much stronger along with other aspects.

 

All you guys are into the best sound possible, and to get that we have spend $$$s finding it. For me, I feel a bit of that path was ******** from manufacturers. I have found my way in the end by listening and not reading the adverts so much. I honestly believe the advice on this forum is worth lots more than reviews in the magazines. Don't you sometimes finish reading yet another gushing review, and read, 'I liked it so much it's a keeper' Yeah, get it for free for the glowing review? I makes me wonder....

 

 

Its more about circuit design and topography, not the generalized tubes vs. ss. I've heard ss amps that are warm and "tubey" and tube amps that are tight, very clean and ss-ish. So it kinda depends....

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