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Just be careful if you want to remove the driver that you don't rip it apart because most of the glue is on the dustcover and not the frame it self. I ripped the dustcover off when I replaced the drivers in the Marantz SE-1. Easy to fix but unnecessary.
I really wish Stax wouldn't insist on using glue like that. What's so bad about a few screws?

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It sounds like the voices are recorded in a defined space and you can hear the boundaries of that space. I suppose it is in part the housings fault because it creates a tunnel effect. The wool diffuses it a bit but it is still there.
That's not what bothers me anyway. The colouration I'm noticing doesn't appear to sound like that. The Gamma Pro has next to no damping material, next to no diffusion effect, either.

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I'm going to get one, it is more a question of when. I haven't had much time with my stats as of late and some of the new ones I have barely used.
Yes, it's been the same for me. Actually, I need to sell some to make some space, it's just very hard to part with them.

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I would take you up on your offer if I would have the time to use them so I'm going to have Alex recable a set for me in June when things die down a little. Then I need a set of ESP10's and I have the whole Koss lineup if you count my hybrid ESP6/7. Then I'll convert the ESP9 to the Stax standard and modify the E.9 by installing the circuits in the ear cups inside the adapter so the system will not have changed as whole.
Hearing you're ESP10 impressions will be interesting.
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I really wish Stax wouldn't insist on using glue like that. What's so bad about a few screws?
Cost. The SR-1/3/5 driver mounting is a pretty good system, clamping a driver between two hard places will always make it sound much better.

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That's not what bothers me anyway. The colouration I'm noticing doesn't appear to sound like that. The Gamma Pro has next to no damping material, next to no diffusion effect, either.
The coloration is pretty obvious if you remove the wool inside the SR-X. These phones should sound very different because the housing plays a huge part.

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Yes, it's been the same for me. Actually, I need to sell some to make some space, it's just very hard to part with them.
Sell phones...???? Is that possible?

People are starting to complain about the amount of phones I have so friends and relatives are going to get some of the doubles as gifts or on extended loans. I can't bring my self to sell any of them...

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Hearing you're ESP10 impressions will be interesting.
I have a line on a set but it is pretty beat up so I'll wait a bit. I also need another ESP9 as a headband donor. The ESP7 project is about 90% finished but I still can't find my stepped drills to mount the Stax jacks and I refuse to buy new ones. These things cost a fortune.
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Cost. The SR-1/3/5 driver mounting is a pretty good system, clamping a driver between two hard places will always make it sound much better.
Cost makes no sense as a reason. The SR1/3/5/X are full of screws, they just aren't used to mount the driver.

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The coloration is pretty obvious if you remove the wool inside the SR-X. These phones should sound very different because the housing plays a huge part.
It sounds different to these set of ears, anyway, but at least we agree that there's definately a colouration there.

The effect is stronger on the GPs than a woolless SRX.

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Sell phones...???? Is that possible?
It'll have to be. I want to get myself a Micro Seiki TT, and there is no other way I can afford one. The only problem is deciding which ones.

I bought my collection more because I wanted to hear them than because I wanted to own them anyway. Aside from the Chinese HE90 clone and the ET1000, I've only got the big expensive ones left. After that I aught to try some AMTs, I guess.
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Cost makes no sense as a reason. The SR1/3/5/X are full of screws, they just aren't used to mount the driver.
The screws hold together the front and the back and the driver is sandwiched between them. Beyer took the extra mile but in turn the driver is held together by screws and is an integral part of the housing and that in turn makes it very hard to troubleshoot.

Personally I like to mount the driver with screws and then clamp it between the front and back of the earcup.

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It sounds different to these set of ears, anyway, but at least we agree that there's definately a colouration there.

The effect is stronger on the GPs than a woolless SRX.
There is definite coloration coloration there but that doesn't hurt the SR-X that much. The SR-Lambda has this strange etch or artifact in the upper treble but they are still my favorite vintage Stax.

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It'll have to be. I want to get myself a Micro Seiki TT, and there is no other way I can afford one. The only problem is deciding which ones.

I bought my collection more because I wanted to hear them than because I wanted to own them anyway. Aside from the Chinese HE90 clone and the ET1000, I've only got the big expensive ones left. After that I aught to try some AMTs, I guess.
I'm so glad that I've managed to control the vinyl bug. The Esoteric X-01 or APL NWO-2.5T itch grows stronger every day...

Those He90 clones are really starting to interest me. Have you seen any pictures of them or know any of the specs?
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There is definite coloration coloration there but that doesn't hurt the SR-X that much. The SR-Lambda has this strange etch or artifact in the upper treble but they are still my favorite vintage Stax.
I never was much of a fan of the lambda colouration. It messes with voices, and that's one thing I can't really live with even if they're otherwise more technically competant. It'll probably result in me selling the SC-1, despite its strengths.

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Those He90 clones are really starting to interest me. Have you seen any pictures of them or know any of the specs?
Not a hell of a lot, but I'll definately give them a swing sometime. I hope they stop using that stupid connector and use either the Stax/Allied or the HE90/Fischer connector. Of course, one shouldn't go in expecting it to outperform the HE90 and O2, but that isn't the point. Reports so far have suggested that there's some definate price-performance there. The cable in their prototype scares me.

From the look of their amp design it's based on Stax's ancient 12AT7/12AT7/6FQ7 design, which might make it a great alternative to the entry level Stax amps assuming the price is right, but it won't probably be worthy of the headphone.



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Does anyone know how much the chinese he90's will cost and/or where to buy them?
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Does anyone know how much the chinese he90's will cost and/or where to buy them?
I'd had at least two people mention "$800", but I have no idea how much weight that carries, or whether it includes the amp, and how much the amp would cost if not.

The design's still a prototype, so you can't buy it yet. I guess when the time comes it shouldn't be too hard to track down the makers, although I hope at least one of them speaks English as my Mandarin is laughable.
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I never was much of a fan of the lambda colouration. It messes with voices, and that's one thing I can't really live with even if they're otherwise more technically competant. It'll probably result in me selling the SC-1, despite its strengths.
I've never been as fond of any Lambda like my completely open Sr-Lambdas. They have this wholeness to the sound that is very appealing. I'm going to build a wood housing for them so they should change quite a bit with that.

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Not a hell of a lot, but I'll definately give them a swing sometime. I hope they stop using that stupid connector and use either the Stax/Allied or the HE90/Fischer connector. Of course, one shouldn't go in expecting it to outperform the HE90 and O2, but that isn't the point. Reports so far have suggested that there's some definate price-performance there. The cable in their prototype scares me.

From the look of their amp design it's based on Stax's ancient 12AT7/12AT7/6FQ7 design, which might make it a great alternative to the entry level Stax amps assuming the price is right, but it won't probably be worthy of the headphone.



Really bad woodworking aside these could be great. I hope they change the cable and connector but sourcing a HV 6 core ribbon cable isn't easy. It has to be custom made and the connectors as well if they are to be molded. They should sound good and be better then a SR-404 do to the bigger diaphragm. I can't wait to get a set... Do you know whose importing them into the US?

The amp looks like the old SR-3 design and while that was good in 1968 it will be far outclassed today. If they can make it cheap enough it will be a great budget contender, especially if they put a Stax connectors on it.

BTW. In the May issue of Stereophile there is a short review of the SR-007/SRM-007tII by Michael Fremer in the Analog Corner. He likes them but finds that they lack dynamics compared to the likes of AKG 701's.
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Really bad woodworking aside these could be great. I hope they change the cable and connector but sourcing a HV 6 core ribbon cable isn't easy. It has to be custom made and the connectors as well if they are to be molded. They should sound good and be better then a SR-404 do to the bigger diaphragm. I can't wait to get a set... Do you know whose importing them into the US?
I don't see why it has to be a ribbon cable. Some multicore cables (Mogami's one, for instance) have comfortably low capacitance. Not or the calibre of the OCC cables Stax use, perhaps, but enough not to drag the ship down.

I don't think any distributer has been worked out yet given it's still a prototype. Thankfully I do have a few connections so scoring one for myself should be realistic even without one.

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The amp looks like the old SR-3 design and while that was good in 1968 it will be far outclassed today. If they can make it cheap enough it will be a great budget contender, especially if they put a Stax connectors on it.
It almost certainly is Stax's design. It's held up pretty well to the test of time, hasn't it? Not exactly my favourite tube compliment of course.

Hopefully the makers will see the potential market for a low-cost all tube 'stat amp and price it competitively rather than treat it as just a means of selling their headphone.
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Wow finally get to see some decent pics of the Orpheus clones. If and when they become available, I would be in for a pair. It would be nice if it would have a STAX cable/connector. There are some brief impressions on them in the Headfest thread . Very interesting.
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Wow finally get to see some decent pics of the Orpheus clones. If and when they become available, I would be in for a pair. It would be nice if it would have a STAX cable/connector. There are some brief impressions on them in the Headfest thread . Very interesting.
I don't think they should really be looked on as clones as they seem to only borrow cosmetic cues. Construction seems to be far more orthodox than the HE90, no fancy glass fiber or anything. It'd be more constructive to just think of then as a headphone in their own right and judged purely on their performance and not let their appearance affect one's impressions and expectations.
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I'm also curious as to who has the pair in the U.S. that has had them to at least two meets. Anyone know....
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I don't think they should really be looked on as clones as they seem to only borrow cosmetic cues. Construction seems to be far more orthodox than the HE90, no fancy glass fiber or anything. It'd be more constructive to just think of then as a headphone in their own right and judged purely on their performance and not let their appearance affect one's impressions and expectations.
Agreed !!
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I'm also curious as to who has the pair in the U.S. that has had them to at least two meets. Anyone know....
It has been mentioned in some meet thread who had it, but I have like zero chance of finding it myself, especially given its coming up to 4am.
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I don't see why it has to be a ribbon cable. Some multicore cables (Mogami's one, for instance) have comfortably low capacitance. Not or the calibre of the OCC cables Stax use, perhaps, but enough not to drag the ship down.

I don't think any distributer has been worked out yet given it's still a prototype. Thankfully I do have a few connections so scoring one for myself should be realistic even without one.
The capacitance is a factor but comfort is much bigger IMO. The ribbon cables can use bigger conductors and still be soft and subtle.

I've been looking into the Mogami cables as a cheaper option then having some cables custom made. The thought of spending a huge amount on some reels of cable isn't very appealing right now. Some of the Mogami models fit the bill but the voltage rating is on the low side.

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It almost certainly is Stax's design. It's held up pretty well to the test of time, hasn't it? Not exactly my favourite tube compliment of course.

Hopefully the makers will see the potential market for a low-cost all tube 'stat amp and price it competitively rather than treat it as just a means of selling their headphone.
While the tubes aren't the best they are all in production so there are no supply issues. It's a solid little amp that should work very well in the budget part of the market.

Adding a Stax connector (both Pro and normal) to a cheap amp with good build quality and sound will make it an instant best seller. Pair it with a New SR-3 for a great introduction into electrostats.
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