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post #196 of 276
Setting the poles -


R10 - Ten.
Sony MDR-V150 - Zero.

With that out of the way, imagine the below with its perfect synergistic rig/mods/pads behind it.

Grado HP-2 - Nine point Five.

Grado SR200 - Eight point Seven Fiver.

Grado RS-1 - Eight point Five.

Alessandro MS-2 - Eight point Two Fiver.

Beyer DT770 - Eight. Nine point Five for bass tho!

AKG K501 - Eight. Like the direct opposite of the DT770, but brings just as much to the table in a different way.

Grado SR225 - Seven Point Five.

Alessandro MS-1. Seven.

Grado SR60 - Six point Five.

Koss KSC-35 - Five. As in, average. If it was below average, I wouldn't own it, no matter how good a portable it is. There are tons of cans that sound better, like all of the Grado Prestige line, but remember where the poles are set. This is a nine on the Portable scale.
post #197 of 276
This is an old thread!
post #198 of 276
Hard to rate some of the headphones I owned last year, because I upgraded my source from a AudioAlchemy DDE to a Benchmark DAC1. Rating of headphones I've heard with the DAC1:

9.5 HD650 + Blue Dragon mk.II
9 PS1 (but -3 points for comfort)

8 RS1

7 HD650 + Stock cable
7 HD650 + Silver Dragon (does some things better, but it's a matter of taste)

6 SA5000
post #199 of 276
Revised ratings:

Sennheiser HD650/cardas (currently own): 9
It needs a hair more overall energy; my setup really needs to be upgraded to suit these phones. They truly do "wake up" when powered by the right source/amp.

Sennheiser orpheus, not owned: 8.2
Detail is excellent, but bass sounds too dry and the highs make me want to go out and murder someone with an axe after I've listened to the phones for 30 minutes. Midrange and highs, aside from the fact that they give me a mild case of insanity, are perfect.

Sennheiser HD600/cardas (owned): 8
Slightly colored compared to the HD650, with slightly less bottom end definition, highs slightly more pronounced, and an airier soundstage than the HD650. A slight coloration in the high end is also noticeable compared to the HD650, especially on cymbals and drum hats.

Beyer DT770-250 (owned): 7
Extremely powerful bass, very crisp highs, very fun to listen to, suited to techno like no other phone on the market, but very colored and sucked out mids + thickness in the upper bass drops the rating.

Beyer DT250-80 (owned): 7
Very balanced sound, excellent forward upper midrange, but a rolloff of the extreme top end and a lack of bottom end coupled with a very harsh sounding lower treble drop the rating for this phone.

Sennheiser PX100 (currently own): 6
Great bottom end, well rounded midrange, and a decent high end. Not comparable to the higher end cans, but the price coupled with its relatively good sound quality and smooth, pleasant sound and portability give this a respectable rating.

Sony streetstyles (have unfortunately heard): 1
Everything that can possibly be wrong with the sound is wrong. No bottom end, unpleasantly uncontrolled midbass, bloated upper bass, thick lower mids, no central midrange, upper mids (what little do exist) are very distorted, highs are uncontrollably and unbelievably harsh and distorted, ruining what enjoyable aspects of the sound remain, and there are no upper highs / soundstage. This is the baseline bottom end for me. It doesn't get much worse than this; most car stereos are better.

Cheers,
Geek
post #200 of 276
Beyerdynamic DT770/80................8
Grado SR125................................7.5
Grado SR325i...............................9
Shure E2c...................................7
Sennheiser MX400........................4
post #201 of 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by donaldekelly
I find this really, really helpful and didn't know it existed until today
Really? Not trying to be rude, but I fail to see the purpose of a thread such as this. It's like listing your favourite and least favourite music, or your favourite offspring in order of preference. Who cares except you? Besides, everybody here knows what everybody else likes; they've posted it about 1000 times. And if we own multiple pairs of phones, the one we are using on a particular day must be the "best" at that moment, no? Sorry, I don't see the point of this thread.
post #202 of 276
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Originally Posted by Beagle
And if we own multiple pairs of phones, the one we are using on a particular day must be the "best" at that moment, no? Sorry, I don't see the point of this thread.
I agree and disagree with you...

If you follow a particular member, and know what they like, and how they like it, then it doesn't matter particularily if they completely slate a particular set of cans if you can understand, from their viewpoint what they dislike compared to x or y...

So, for numbers only - I am inclined to agree, but the overall concept of large volume comparisons... I think its good
post #203 of 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Who cares except you?
Obviously a lot of people cared enough to create one of the more popular threads going right now in the forum. There's a clue.

My list since December:

Ety ER6 - 6.5 Love the clarity especially when amped. On my short-list a 10.
Senn MX400 - 3
Sony earbud - 2.5
Koss KSC35 - 1 I must have got a bad pair. They have a very thin or tinny sound.


DobsOnly
post #204 of 276
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Originally Posted by DobsOnly
Obviously a lot of people cared enough to create one of the more popular threads going right now in the forum. There's a clue.
Oh, everyone LOVES to list their gear. No problem. I just don't see how others benefit from this. For example, someone who can afford the Orpheus will have them at the top, and might have the SR60 near the bottom. Someone who can only afford the SR60 will have them at the top.
post #205 of 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Really? Not trying to be rude, but I fail to see the purpose of a thread such as this.
Just trying to get some ballpark evaluations so I know which headphones to readup more about. In other words - I was still pretty new at the time. And I still have never heard a Beyer or a high end Sony. I have heard only one Grado.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
It's like listing your favourite and least favourite music, or your favourite offspring in order of preference. Who cares except you?
So if you think the Sony streetstyle is a pos that doesn't mean anything? I should ignore you and every other member of headfi in what your opinions of headphones are???? I am confused by this statement. Certainly one person may not be a Grado fan and another may not be a Sennheiser man, or I may think the Ety 4s have enough bass, and the next person thinks they definitely do not - all those various opinions show up here. But there are some constants. 90% of us say stay away from cheap Sony headphones. More examples could be given of phones we all respect or all hate. Then there are the ones that get mixed reviews that bear more research. (Well the ones with good reviews bear more research as well).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Besides, everybody here knows what everybody else likes; they've posted it about 1000 times. And if we own multiple pairs of phones, the one we are using on a particular day must be the "best" at that moment, no? Sorry, I don't see the point of this thread.
I don't remember reading about any of the headphones you like. I am sure you have written about them many places, but I am new and have only followed some of the threads. Sure if you have been around here for two or three years there may not be much point other than killing time in one more way to talk about headphones. But I am still fairly new.

Do you know which headphones I like? No - no - stay away from that serach button. "everybody here knows what everybody likes"

I hope this makes sense and does not seem like I am trying to start a flame war. I am confused by your post as you are by mine. I appreciate your comment about not trying to be rude. Sincerely.
post #206 of 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Really? Not trying to be rude, but I fail to see the purpose of a thread such as this. It's like listing your favourite and least favourite music, or your favourite offspring in order of preference. Who cares except you? Besides, everybody here knows what everybody else likes; they've posted it about 1000 times. And if we own multiple pairs of phones, the one we are using on a particular day must be the "best" at that moment, no? Sorry, I don't see the point of this thread.
because if someone has the ms2 (which i have) and another pair of phones that i want, i can see if they liked it better than the ms2 or not. if the general consensus is that it's worse than the ms2, then it's probably not worth buying and has saved me a few hundred
post #207 of 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by donaldekelly
Just trying to get some ballpark evaluations so I know which headphones to readup more about. In other words - I was still pretty new at the time. And I still have never heard a Beyer or a high end Sony. I have heard only one Grado.



So if you think the Sony streetstyle is a pos that doesn't mean anything? I should ignore you and every other member of headfi in what your opinions of headphones are???? I am confused by this statement. Certainly one person may not be a Grado fan and another may not be a Sennheiser man, or I may think the Ety 4s have enough bass, and the next person thinks they definitely do not - all those various opinions show up here. But there are some constants. 90% of us say stay away from cheap Sony headphones. More examples could be given of phones we all respect or all hate. Then there are the ones that get mixed reviews that bear more research. (Well the ones with good reviews bear more research as well).



I don't remember reading about any of the headphones you like. I am sure you have written about them many places, but I am new and have only followed some of the threads. Sure if you have been around here for two or three years there may not be much point other than killing time in one more way to talk about headphones. But I am still fairly new.

Do you know which headphones I like? No - no - stay away from that serach button. "everybody here knows what everybody likes"

I hope this makes sense and does not seem like I am trying to start a flame war. I am confused by your post as you are by mine. I appreciate your comment about not trying to be rude. Sincerely.
Thank you for responding. I do want to make clear that I was not attacking you personally, with the "who cares except you" remark. The "you" would be each individual Head-Fi member. When each person lists their preference from best to worst, there are a lot of variables and each list is in a particular context depending of musical tastes, amplification, sonic preferences. So if the intent is to spot the best/worst headphones, it's like trying to hit a moving target. Everybody has a preference and an opinion. One should not use anothers as a reference point for their own decisions regarding headphones, or anything. The only way that that can be validated is if you were to see a common grain with another member, who has heard the same headphones that you have and has come to similar conclusions. Even then, their musical tastes might be different and in the long run you want something different. Yes, there are some constants but very few. Budget cheapo cans generally are trashed here and with good reason. Yet the real "arguments" (differences of opinion actually) seem to occur with the top end phones, like R10, RS-1, HD650

Example: I prefer not too much top end and do not like exaggerated soundstages, which will occur with any headphone where the drivers are not sitting on the ear, in the ear, or in close proximity to the ear. To me, headphones should sound like the music is inside your head and at the sides of your head. That's what headphones do, by their very nature. Bringing the drivers away from the ears makes a wonderful hi-fi sonic thrill, but it is doing a disservice to the musicality IMO. The recording comes under a microscope, the parts become separated and the performance doesn't gel. It sounds great for a while, but I eventually begin to feel distanced from the point of the music. Headphones cannot and should not try to approximate the listening/sonic experience that one gets from sitting back and listening to loudspeakers. Again, this is just the way I feel about headphone listening. I would not expect everyone to share the same views. So, given the above, many peoples top preferences would not be suitable for me.

I used to see similar lists in older Sound and Vision magazines, where the reviewers would list their favourite equipment. The Koss Porta-Pro would appear on 2 or three lists, yet I never liked that headphone. Some others that I did like (such as the Yamaha HP-1), not many people were aware of them or had the opportunity to hear them.

My comment about "everybody know what everybody likes" was poking a bit of fun, as we have all had some wonderful discussions and multiple threads on "veils" and "brightness"

Peace.
post #208 of 276
Thanks, Beagle, or your response. I think I agree with your point (if this is one of your points) that what someone or even 90% of the people on Head-Fi may like may not be what I like. My Ety purchase is a bit of an example of that.

But, I still think it is helpful for the ignorant among us to go into the "library" with at least a couple clues as to what to look up. The degree of helpfulness in this thread may be inversely proportional to the amount of time one has been at Head-Fi.

To the knowledgeable this thread may just be a curiosity thing. Like "people magazine for geeks."
post #209 of 276
refocusing...

akg k501 - 9.0 (nothing is really close)
770/250 - 8.0 (yummy bass)
hd590 - 7.0 (good)
shure e3 - 6.0
koss ksc75 - 5.5
koss plugs - 2.0 (1 point for isolation, 1 for price)
post #210 of 276
Thread Starter 
What better way to return to the greatest forum of all time than to resurrect an age old thread? And in my particular case, what better time to do so than while drinking a glorious bottle of Chateau Lafitte?

Long story short, I've been out of the loop for quite a few years and I'm looking to replace my aging etymotic er6i IEM's. Perhaps I could request some new rankings of current headphone offerings, optimally newish IEM's compared to etymotics or beyers?

I love head-fi.
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