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post #91 of 160
1/26/07 at 5:52pm
The IC Acrolink is around 5000 $ (USA, Japan or Europe).

The Air Tight ATM-300 is very expensive in Europe, (around 8000 € !), I think in USA you can find a new one for 8000 $, that is less.

Power cords are 500 $ each.

Hydra-8 is around 2300 $.

Tubes are expensive too: WE 800 $, Mullard cryo 1% long plate 12au7a (around 500$ for one pair - TubeWorld), Mullard 5as4 85 $, the RCA 12bh7a not so expensive.

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post #92 of 160
1/26/07 at 6:42pm
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The IC Acrolink is around 5000 $ (USA, Japan or Europe).
This is just a cable? Why are such cables so expensive? Are they made of gold, platinum or diamonds? I really don't get it...

sry for the little offtopic.
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post #93 of 160
1/26/07 at 6:53pm
You can ask to the Acrolink why is so expensive... no gold, or platinum... just the fisrt 7N copper interconnect !
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post #94 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:00pm
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post #95 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:08pm
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post #96 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:10pm
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You can ask to the Acrolink why is so expensive... no gold, or platinum... just the fisrt 7N copper interconnect !
Nik--Given your level of financial commitment and attention to detail, I have been wondering why you use the Shunyata Copperhead power cords. This is not a criticism, but an honest question because Shunyata makes much more expensive cables, even in that same line. I have found that I really like the Shunyata Python cables for power amps, and have considered for some time upgrading to the newer Python Helix cables. The improvements from Copperhead to Python are not small in my experience (and IMO of course). Have you tried any others in their line and found them less well-matched for your setup?

I have to say, I have been trying to find a used Air Tight for some time now to pair with my old Klipsch speakers. The alternative I have considered is a Moth amp of some form. There is one more possibility, given that one of my favorite tube headphone amp makers may be debuting a speaker amplifier at our Int' Meet in April...that has me intrigued as well. After this last weekend at Neil's I was convinced that if I get a tube power amp for speakers, I will definitely get a pair of K1000s as well.
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post #97 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:18pm
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Nik--Given your level of financial commitment and attention to detail, I have been wondering why you use the Shunyata Copperhead power cords. This is not a criticism, but an honest question because Shunyata makes much more expensive cables, even in that same line. I have found that I really like the Shunyata Python cables for power amps, and have considered for some time upgrading to the newer Python Helix cables. The improvements from Copperhead to Python are not small in my experience (and IMO of course). Have you tried any others in their line and found them less well-matched for your setup?

I have to say, I have been trying to find a used Air Tight for some time now to pair with my old Klipsch speakers. The alternative I have considered is a Moth amp of some form. There is one more possibility, given that one of my favorite tube headphone amp makers may be debuting a speaker amplifier at our Int' Meet in April...that has me intrigued as well. After this last weekend at Neil's I was convinced that if I get a tube power amp for speakers, I will definitely get a pair of K1000s as well.
I have tried all the Shunyata power cords, even the Anaconda, and at the moment I have preferred the less expensive Copperhead, may be because this is a shielded cable, may be the Tube gear need this kind of power cord. But my intention is to do another tests with those power cords, or may be with the Acrolink power cord that are also shielded. The big work for current (IMO) has done by the Hydra-8 power conditioner.
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post #98 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:20pm
Oh boy Voltron...is SinglePower making an integrated amp
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post #99 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:28pm
I owned the K1000 and HE90 at the same time, and listened to both extensively, mostly listening to classical orchestral music. I finally sold the K1000, and retained the HE90 which IMO is the clearly the superior headphone for this kind of music.

QUOTE=jp11801;2661192]While I did not attend the meet I would not say the Orpheus rigs kills the k1000. I have heard both in my home for extended periods and I actually prefer the k1000. The best I have heard the HE90 sound is with the Arastatous (sp) and while top notch it's not my cuppa tea. They are just two very different but extremely great view of the headphone listening. I am probably in the minority here though.[/QUOTE]
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post #100 of 160
1/26/07 at 7:41pm
Orpheus versus speakers is a tricky question, the answer to which may depend on the kinds of speakers and the kinds of music. I recently heard a very expensive set of large and expensive floor standing speakers, in a well designed listening room. These speakers (which were augmented by two subs) sounded great when playing rock, pop, and some jazz. But, they sounded horrible when playing classical orchestral music. Here their sound was terribly bloated, and unresolved. Thus, for playing classical orchestral music, Orpheus headphones would be great, but this supposedly great speaker system was horrible for playing classical orchestral music. Comparison with stat speakers, such as Quads, may however yield different results.

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Very informative thread.
So Orpheus kills the K1000? And just when i thought that my future k1000 rig would be a killer in headphone world...

And one more question, just curious, can you compare the sound of HE90 with any good speaker system that you have heard? At what price level can you say that a certain speaker setup sounds better then he90?
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post #101 of 160
1/26/07 at 9:30pm
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Oh boy Voltron...is SinglePower making an integrated amp


I know nothing. Nothing!
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post #102 of 160
1/26/07 at 9:32pm
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I have tried all the Shunyata power cords, even the Anaconda, and at the moment I have preferred the less expensive Copperhead, may be because this is a shielded cable, may be the Tube gear need this kind of power cord. But my intention is to do another tests with those power cords, or may be with the Acrolink power cord that are also shielded. The big work for current (IMO) has done by the Hydra-8 power conditioner.
I had to figure you had done that analysis! There can be a great deal of synergy, or lack thereof, with power cords in my experience. Tube gear seems to have its own special requirements as well. I have a Hydra 8 also, and I think it does a fabulous job. I either use a Copperhead or a Python with it.
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post #103 of 160
1/27/07 at 4:47am
[QUOTE=mikeg;2662379]I owned the K1000 and HE90 at the same time, and listened to both extensively, mostly listening to classical orchestral music. I finally sold the K1000, and retained the HE90 which IMO is the clearly the superior headphone for this kind of music.

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Generally all the electrostatics are better than dynamics for classcial, not only the Orpheus.

But, IMO, if a person do not listen only one genre of music, we cannot evaluate a cans just for classical, or only for jazz, or pop music...
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post #104 of 160
1/27/07 at 4:52am
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The IC Acrolink is around 5000 $ (USA, Japan or Europe).

The Air Tight ATM-300 is very expensive in Europe, (around 8000 € !), I think in USA you can find a new one for 8000 $, that is less.

Power cords are 500 $ each.

Hydra-8 is around 2300 $.

Tubes are expensive too: WE 800 $, Mullard cryo 1% long plate 12au7a (around 500$ for one pair - TubeWorld), Mullard 5as4 85 $, the RCA 12bh7a not so expensive.
I hope u didnt really pay $5000 for your acrolink, or else that really is the biggest rip off ever happened for a head fier as far as i know.
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post #105 of 160
1/27/07 at 4:55am
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Orpheus versus speakers is a tricky question, the answer to which may depend on the kinds of speakers and the kinds of music. I recently heard a very expensive set of large and expensive floor standing speakers, in a well designed listening room. These speakers (which were augmented by two subs) sounded great when playing rock, pop, and some jazz. But, they sounded horrible when playing classical orchestral music. Here their sound was terribly bloated, and unresolved. Thus, for playing classical orchestral music, Orpheus headphones would be great, but this supposedly great speaker system was horrible for playing classical orchestral music. Comparison with stat speakers, such as Quads, may however yield different results.
Ive heard the sonus faber and i thought they are great for classical. play anything modern u have big problems though. =(
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