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Curious?

Just curious if anyone has looked on Audiogon for the Emm labs / meitner DCC2 pre-amp/dac ? ?

There is like 4 of them listed and 5 if you count the one from Europe. Anyone? Al?
post #32 of 160
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Why Bohemian Rhapsody?
Plus we needed something to test how securely the K1000s stayed on our heads.
post #33 of 160
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Just curious if anyone has looked on Audiogon for the Emm labs / meitner DCC2 pre-amp/dac ? ?

There is like 4 of them listed and 5 if you count the one from Europe. Anyone? Al?
Not interested. I gotta have the Signature Edition or nuthin' at all!

I wouldn't mind if the new CDSA SE was on A-gon but they have only been out for 30-45 days now. Patience...
post #34 of 160
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Wow!! Nice gear & set list.

Curious...
Why Bohemian Rhapsody? Ive always liked the vocal / instrumental arrangement, but never really thought of it as an audiophile recording. Furthermore... I think this is the first time I've ever seen it used as a test track.
???
Hope to see some of you guys in April.

Garrett
I voted for Fat Bottomed Girls but nobody listened.
post #35 of 160
I saw a SE transport Combo for 12.5K a few weeks ago. Awesome deal considering EMM is trying to get this price for just the DAC alone.

They show up from time to time. You can also get the DAC and upgrade it for 5K.

BTW - In addition to the SE version of the DAC you guys also heard the Aural Symphonics upgraded glass optical interconnects (between the DCC2 and CDSD). I stand by this assertion: These cables sound amazing. Do I know why? Hell no! They do. The differences are obvious from the stock. I believe the signature + these EMM Optimism cables really make a magical combo.

Neil
post #36 of 160
LOL you guys rock... Freddy would be proud

"WAYNES WORLD, WAYNES WORLD PARTY TIME... EXCELLENT!!"

cheers!
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Where's the mouse?

-Ed
post #38 of 160
Thanks A LOT guys, this is the most interesting impressions post of my life !!!

... the only one "lack" ??? A hi class SET 300B amp for the K1000...

(...just my two cents...)

Some considerations:

1-What about interconnect cables ???? (This is also very, very important for the K1000...).

2-What about the impact-dynamic of the two setups ???

3-What about airy and soundstage?

4-I know that the EMM labs is a outstanding source, but at this level of class (headphones) I think that we need to assemble two differents setups, even considering the source, just to know which is the absolute best sound...
post #39 of 160
Very interesting insights of higher-end setups! Thanks.

As a "proud" HE60 owner I have a question:

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The HE60 are a very nice headphone and certainly sounded great with this rig. We had a conversation in the later going about whether they can stand up the the Big O. Not a chance in my book, and most others readily said the same. Switching back and forth over the course of the day, the HE90s are clearly and unequivocally in a class by themselves. The Stax O2 are also great headphones but they were not even close to the HE90s with this setup.
ok, it's somewhat natural that the HE90 sounds better than HE60, given the HE60 is a "cheap" derivate of the HE90...
But can you guys say something about HE60 vs OmegaII?
And, moreover, specifically, in what parameters the HE90 was better than the OmegaII and HE60 respectively?

thanks in advance

Andrew
post #40 of 160
Andrea, I think that they have listened the HE60 with the Orpheus amp, this is not a little thing !!! (Keep in mind my friend !!!).
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Andrea, I think that they have listened the HE60 with the Orpheus amp, this is not a little thing !!! (Keep in mind my friend !!!).
Yes, I know, it's better as I am really interested in the real differences between the two headphone, not biased by amp differences.

Andrew
post #42 of 160
WOW! Nice set of gear you guys got there.
post #43 of 160
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I voted for Fat Bottomed Girls but nobody listened.
Where was I for this vote? I would have voted for "Get Down, Make Love".
post #44 of 160
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Very interesting insights of higher-end setups! Thanks.

As a "proud" HE60 owner I have a question:

ok, it's somewhat natural that the HE90 sounds better than HE60, given the HE60 is a "cheap" derivate of the HE90...
But can you guys say something about HE60 vs OmegaII?
And, moreover, specifically, in what parameters the HE90 was better than the OmegaII and HE60 respectively?

thanks in advance

Andrew
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Andrea, I think that they have listened the HE60 with the Orpheus amp, this is not a little thing !!! (Keep in mind my friend !!!).
Hey guys, I'm glad our meet has some interest for you. Ok, so HE60, HE90, OmegaII. First of all, I think the HE60's sound fabulous out of the HEV90, probably the best I've heard them. They gain a warmth and naturalness that the HEV70 cannot touch. Other amps like the Blue Hawaii and the 007t seem to either lose microdynamics or detail in comparison.

The Omega2 is not at its best (i'm guessing) on an HEV90. It did have good bass, and it did sound quite nice actually, but I feel like a blue Hawaii or possibly an ES-1 would have been a better match. Actually Mikhail called me during the meet to wish us all a good meet. He was actually planning on coming but it snowed heavily on Colorado the night before. He is still working on my ES-1 and so it will have to wait for another meet (tentatively planned for the 3rd week of Feb).

Anyway, during the meet I kept thinking and commenting that, while the HE90 is clearly in a league of its own (not even close), the HE60 and Omega2 are natural contenders. With an HE90 around, I would never feel the urge to pick up an Omega2, but with just the HE60, there are trade offs.

The Omega2 can almost have too much bass. It can be almost boomy sounding to me. This can be gotten used to, but once you switch to another headphone, like the HE60 it can be quite evident. The Omega2 has a great midrange that is smooth and non-fatiguing. I can generally raise the volume quite a bit higher and not get any hard sibilant transients or the like. I like this aspect of the Omega2, and it tend to see it as a very euphonic headphone that imparts its own signature very strongly to the material. The HE60 on the other hand is more like the HE90 - it is euphonic, but not obviously so. In comparison to the Omega2, it doesn't have as much bass, but it does have more impact around 80hz-160hz than the Orpheus. However, it doesn't extend very low and tends to drop off quickly. Hence impact without much sustain. Whereas the HE90 bass is simply amazing. I felt the same thing about the K1000 - it has good bass but it doesn't extend or sustain nearly as long or as well as the Omega2 or HE90. I'll have to do some more listening to comment on the high's of the HE60 and Omega2. Nothing really stuck out other than the fact that the HE60 retained none of its metallic edge (which can be readily heard on the HEV70). The Omega2's sounded great in this dept as well.

If I were to only have these two phones, I wouldn't know what I was missing since they provide a very enjoyable experience. However, the reason the HE90 cannot be compared and why it is so much better has to do with the fact that it does things these other headphones do NOT even attempt:

1) Vertical soundstage. This is for real. The sound is large, like speakers. The K1000 does amazing horizontal soundstage, but vertical soundstage gives a whole new dimension of realism to the sound.

2) Depth. Vertical soundstage coupled with depth allows these headphones to project sounds both seemingly from inside of your listening perspective (as if I was singing the lyrics for instance) and out and away from you. Sometimes at the same time in the song. Much of 1) and 2) have to do with the large diaphragm the headphones have that covers your ears entirely.

3) This last point brings me to the "disappearing act" effect. Several of us commented on how, when we put the HE90's on, we completely lose awareness of any external sounds, chit chat whatever. With other headphones, outside noise becomes an issue, especially for critical listening. Not with the HE90 to a large extent (but obviously within limits). It seems to envelop our ears ability to focus and concentrate. With the headphones on, it is almost as if our ears are pushed to magnetically focus entirely on the music. This is almost like a very natural external noise canceling effect. This effect is startling because the volume does NOT have to be very high to hear it. Put on another pair of headphones like the HE60's or Omega2's and even raise the volume, and still, external sounds can be distinguished.

If I was to make a comment on the Omega2, in regards to all the headphones we heard, it would definitely be the midrange, and its fun almost bloated but euphonic bass presentation (which may be controlled better with another amp/tubes).

Neil
post #45 of 160
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Where was I for this vote? I would have voted for "Get Down, Make Love".
My vote would have been "Ode to Tipper Gore" off of Warrant's Cherry Pie record. But alas... it was a PG-13 rated event.

Neil
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