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Dynahi vs. Lavry DA10 balanced output

post #1 of 23
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So granodemostasa and I decided to get together this Saturday afternoon while Berkeley classes are still not in full swing yet to compare how the HD650s sound.

Our setups are as follows:

Setup One:
HD650s running balanced from the balanced outputs of the Lavry DA10, using a stock cable re-terminated in XLR.

Setup Two:
HD650s (with stock cable) running single ended from a Dynahi, sourced by a Lavry DA10 using XLR-to-RCA adapters and cables.

Me and Grano (David from now on) both have Lavry DA10s, so we basically went back and forth. Here are the songs that we listened to:

1) La valse d'Amelie (piano) - this is from the Amelie soundtrack
2) Night Fight - this is from the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon soundtrack
3) Foreign Bodies - Part I: Body Language - this is from "Wing on Wing" by the Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra
4) Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley - from the Grace album
5) Straight Life by Art Pepper - from Art Pepper Meets The Rhythm Section

My overall impression is that the Dynahi has much more power and force than the Lavry's balanced output. Drums hit much harder and with much more impact on the Dynahi. This was made apparent to me when I listened to the Art Pepper track, as it contains a great drum solo by Philly Joe Jones. On the Lavry, the drum hits sound softer, more blurred, whereas on the Dynahi, the drum hits really make you feel the impact. So to my ears, the Dynahi produced bass that is tighter and more forceful than the Lavry. This isn't to say that the Lavry's bass is muddy or boomy, but it is not as precise and well-defined as the Dynahi's bass.

The midrange sounded pretty much the same to my ears on the Lavry and the Dynahi depending on the song playing. But again, the Dynahi simply had more power reserve, so everything sounded a little bit fuller, although the differences are somewhat negated when I cranked the Lavry, but this results in a listening level that is a little bit too loud for my usual tastes. For example, on Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah", the Dynahi made his voice sound richer and weightier, resulting in a more seductive midrange. The Lavry, on the other hand, seemed to lack just a tiny bit of body in contrast.

Highs is where I felt the Dynahi had a clear advantage than the Lavry. Art Pepper's sax sounded smooth and extended, but yet also full of dynamics on the Dynahi. But on the Lavry, I had to crank it up pass my listening level to get the same level of dynamics; but with this increase in dynamics comes an increase in sibilance. The sax, in this mode, sounded too sharp to my ears. Similarly, in "Hallelujah", I had to turn up the volume on the Lavry, but this came at the cost of greater sibilance. There is this part in "Hallelujah" where Jeff Buckley sings:

"And she tied you to her kitchen chair
And She broke your throne and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah "

The "ch" and "sh" sounds from words like "kitchen", "throne", and "lips" sounded too sibilant out of the Lavry. But on the Dynahi, I could get the listening level that I wanted, but without any of the sibilance.

Soundstage wise, I thought the Lavry's balanced outputs had a slight advantage in terms of height. The Lavry can give you a better perception of height in the soundstage, whereas the Dynahi's soundstage, while big, doesn't give you the same perception of height. But lateral soundstage sounds identical to me on the Lavry and the Dynahi.

David thought that the Lavry's balanced had a hair more detail, but my personal impression was that the detail level is about the same on both setups.

So my overall preference is the Dynahi. Why? Because I am a power nut and think that you can never have too much power The Dynahi has some big brass balls that can really control the HD650s. And everything sounded a touch sweeter and warmer on the Dynahi, which is surprising, since the Dynahi doesn't sound like your typical SS stuff. I didn't find it harsh or grating; sure, it's not "tube-like" in its portrayal of the midrange, but it doesn't sound like it has digititis either. It's much smoother than the lower-end Gilmore designs that I've heard.

But for those who have the Lavry DA10, I highly, highly recommend going balanced with them if you have the HD650s. For the price of the Lavry, you get a pretty good DAC and a pretty good amp. The balanced outputs on the Lavry is a level better than it's headphone jack. Such a setup yielded a lot of performance, so it's got a great price-to-performance ratio. Plus it has a small footprint, so it is transportable to boot.

David has the pictures, and he will upload them along with his impressions when he gets home.
post #2 of 23
Thanks humanflyz (and granodemostas). It's always great to read about these comparisons and especially to know where the DA10 as a DAC/amp combo stands (and what can be improved).
post #3 of 23
Nice comparison Humanflyz. And yes, pics please!
post #4 of 23
Excellent comparison.

Maybe this is why I enjoy my HA5000 so much compared with the Lavry DA10 headphone out. There is much more power using a Class A amp drawing about 30 watts of electricity full time compared to the Lavry headamp. I use them single-ended with my low impedance headphone.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by blessingx View Post
Thanks humanflyz (and granodemostas). It's always great to read about these comparisons and especially to know where the DA10 as a DAC/amp combo stands (and what can be improved).
Ditto. Many thanks to the two of youse for putting forth the effort on this very informative comparison; I'm sure many others, myself included, will find/have found this useful.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
You should all wait for David's impressions, because he and I have very different pre-conceptions about what ideal musical reproduction sounds like. And this is where doing a A/B shoot-out really helps: it helps me to understand why other people hear the way they do, and in turn, this makes future discussion about components much more intelligent and level-headed.
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post #8 of 23
Hey
Umm… there do I start….
Soundstage:
The Lavry's soundstage was deeper and wider by about 30 percent. The images were clearer and focusing more precise. The Dynahi's soundstage sounded upfront but more 3D in terms of individual instruments, but not in terms of listening to an orchestra.
Notes:
Overall I think the lavry sounds somewhat dead. The notes were light, un-engaging, and sanded down a bit. The Dyanhi had more force to it's presentation, more roundness, and was far warmer sounding. In a way, it may have been a bit "sweetened" compared to the lavry.
Drums
The lavry tended to be a bit cleaner, more detailed and more textured. The dynahi had power and speed in abundance. Overall the dynahi sounded like a real band was playing, as opposed to a "recording," which is what the lavry sounded like.
Decay
The lavry's decay on the high notes was slower… this let me appreciate the notes at the top a bit more. On the other side of this, the cut offs were abrupt and not as sharp sounding as the Dynahi. On the cymbol the decay of the dynahi lingered on more, giving it a more "beyerdynamic" feeling.
Conclusion
I would take the dynahi in an instance over the balenced lavry… which could be too lean sounding for my tastes. While I usually consider soundstaging and imaging to be my top priorities, I'm not willing to sacrifice this much for it.

The Lavry
Okay, I was about to trade this in for something else… seeing that neither the Dynahi nor the balance gave me the type of sound I wanted to hear out of my dac, until the K1000 came along. Now I'm determined to keep this DAC. To be fair, the Lavry isn't an ideal dac… I have yet to hear that perfect clarinet pitch I heard from the Esoteric, nor have I heard that glorious and euphonic brass I heard with the Moth U Dac, but I can't have it all.

The F1 and the K1000
There are special times in Head-fidom where a person encounters something that will change the course of their audio-journey, this was one of them. Now I'm not going to put this in line with other "great moments" along my journey, I just wouldn't know where to begin, but I can say that this changes my perception about many things. My first impressions were not fond-No bass, no warmth, a bit harsh sounding (which I attribute to the cables), and the brass sounded stale (which is an impression that would go on to hold up). Then I let it settle in as Mahler's 3rd symphony continued. I soon came to realize that I was hearing much more information than I have ever heard before; yes, the HD650 does mask a lot of detail. Secondly, it occurred to me that I was hearing no coloration, but what was coming straight out of the dac… which was amazingly clear, beautiful and natural sounding. Was it the perfect balance? Not really, there is some bass and lower midrange that was missing, but nevertheless, it sounded like the real thing. Thirdly, the soundstage was simply amazing (I probably shouldn't go on with this since everyone knows about the K1000's soundstage). Fourthly, the imaging was the best I've EVER heard. Take for example the solo violin player, or the single clarinet; at no point in my audiophile experience have I heard the performers with such vivacity and 3d perception as I heard it with the K1000. I didn't think such things were possible. This alone is what was most memorable about the K1000 experience… what to me holds the highest value among audio traits is exactly what the K1000 nails.
post #9 of 23
wow you really put my Dynahi to good use...ENJOY!

granodemostasa
how do you like Dynahi vs your Zana?

Maybe when I retire my AX-7e I will mate it with K1000. oh..why are Ayre 5 series so expensive
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by chesebert View Post
wow you really put my Dynahi to good use...ENJOY!
Yeah, one of my better audio purchases
post #11 of 23
so how much better is K1000 compared to Dynahi + HD650?

oh..btw you may want to get the Cardas cable with HD650. It lifts another veil and you will attain another level of realism.
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
One of these days I'll sit down and compare the Dynahi+HD650 with my K1000 setup, but I'm biased to like the K1000s to begin with. But I think the Dynahi+Hd650 makes a pretty good complement.
post #13 of 23
It looked as though you were using a computer as your transport for the shootout. Was this through the Trends Audio UD-10 USB transport?

Were you able to compare your guys' Audiophile USB and the UD-10 as transports? I'm trying to decide between those two at the moment.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Borat View Post
It looked as though you were using a computer as your transport for the shootout. Was this through the Trends Audio UD-10 USB transport?

Were you able to compare your guys' Audiophile USB and the UD-10 as transports? I'm trying to decide between those two at the moment.
We did the shoot out using my laptop running foobar in ASIO and using the UD-10 as the transport. David didn't bring his Audiophile USB, so we didn't have a chance to compare.
post #15 of 23
we could probably have these shootouts sometime later (when i get my adaptors for my ZD).

keep in mind that the Lavry is pretty resistant to jitter and that it would be difficult to do identical comparisons because of the differences in coax cable and in the media players that we use.

also, did the font on head-fi just change? or did my computer do something weird...

by my opinion the F1/K1000 is way above the dynahi/HD650 on many fronts....

and... hell no (at least for my set up), the cardas cable is the devil to string sections! i'd rather throw my HD650 out of the top of my building than subject it to the cardas torture.
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